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Re:What if journalists had story writing tools as powerful a... by phkahler on Wednesday December 10, 2014 @10:45AM (#8729739)
I've always wondered why writers don't use things like revision control and decent diff tools. I'm not sure the existing tools are well suited to them (yet).
Re:What if journalists had story writing tools as powerful a... by jonnathanson on Wednesday December 10, 2014 @01:31PM (#8730788)
"I've always wondered why writers don't use things like revision control and decent diff tools. I'm not sure the existing tools are well suited to them (yet)."

Certain writers do. It just depends on the domain. For book writers, there are tools like Scrivener. For screenwriters, there are tools like Final Draft. These tools help tremendously with auto-formatting and version control. They also keep track of things like characters and settings, presumably by assigning them to certain classes and IDs "under the hood." (I've never looked under the hood, but I assume they are XML-based.) They are fantastic tools for the writers they're made for. They're also fairly WSIWYG, and do not require writers to know anything about markup languages. That's pretty key, because many writers are not technically proficient. (Modest technical proficiency, at the very least with HTML and some CSS, is probably going to become a requirement in the future...but I digress.)

For journalism, however, Word is the default—and obviously, it has its strengths and its weaknesses. Wonky changelogs and substandard version control are two of the biggest. Some editors at some publications are moving over to Google docs, for the superior versioning and collaboration capabilities. But Google's editor doesn't offer the robustness and feature set of Word, and it's unfamiliar, so a lot of editors and writers are reluctant to adopt it. Personally speaking, I much prefer Google to Word when it comes to working with my editors. I'll gladly take in-doc comments and version control over emailing Word docs back and forth, any day of the week.

Re:What if journalists had story writing tools as powerful a... by danielweber on Wednesday December 10, 2014 @12:16PM (#8730297)
Microsoft Word has had revision control for at least 15 years, probably even longer. It's not like the document creation world doesn't have exposure to these ideas.
Re:What if journalists had story writing tools as powerful a... by scholia on Thursday December 11, 2014 @10:19AM (#8735170)
Microsoft Word has a shedload of features that journalists can't be bothered learn and/or use, and that even the author appears not to know about, judging by his reference to "replacing simple text processors like Microsoft Word".
Re:What if journalists had story writing tools as powerful a... by runevault on Wednesday December 10, 2014 @10:49AM (#8729765)
Some stuff (revision control) is at least reasonably good, though it depends somewhat on what format you are saving text into. Also since most diff tools work on a new line level it isn't as useful as if they split on say periods/exclamation points/question marks, since those are the real dividing points in any form of writing (journalism/prose at least).
Re:What if journalists had story writing tools as powerful a... by cpach on Wednesday December 10, 2014 @10:56AM (#8729810)
I agree that prose requires different diffs than source code. Here is an example of how Github tackles that issue: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7240122
Re:What if journalists had story writing tools as powerful a... by runevault on Wednesday December 10, 2014 @09:24PM (#8732862)
Oh interesting I either had not seen or forgot about this. Good to know thanks!
Re:What if journalists had story writing tools as powerful a... by jkaunisv1 on Wednesday December 10, 2014 @12:01PM (#8730180)
As with programmers, I think it's a matter of education and time pressures. If a cowboy coder hasn't been exposed to a strong version control culture, and works mostly alone, they won't have as strong a need for VC (or even know about it). When you're always under deadline pressures, you're focused on getting the product out above all else.

Basically, they don't know there's a better way. They're used to hacking through Word's track changes, and they always have a deadline to meet. That doesn't leave much time for improving your toolset.

Also, many writers have very idiosyncratic workflows. From what I gather their education and workplaces focus more on the craft of writing well, regardless of whether it's with a pencil or a keyboard. Whereas it's hard to contribute to a codebase without being exposed to version control.

Re:What if journalists had story writing tools as powerful a... by 27182818284 on Wednesday December 10, 2014 @11:13AM (#8729894)
Hmm. I think it is akin to the success of Dropbox. Tools like Rsync and binary diffs already existed, but they weren't friendly enough for a lot of developers, dads, non-tech coworkers, etc to use until Drew Houston wrapped them up nicely in Python.

(I vaguely recall him mentioning that on his app even)

Re:What if journalists had story writing tools as powerful a... by morgante on Wednesday December 10, 2014 @11:32AM (#8729987)
More and more newsrooms are actually integrating diffing tools into their CMSs.
Re:What if journalists had story writing tools as powerful a... by globalpanic on Wednesday December 10, 2014 @10:53AM (#8729789)
scrivener allows you to take snapshots which is a kind of basic version control
Re:What if journalists had story writing tools as powerful a... by lastofus on Wednesday December 10, 2014 @03:31PM (#8731494)
I've found that Draft Control is excellent easy to use version control for Word/Pages

http://www.draftcontrol.com/