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Re:Should I Get a Ph.D.? by sytelus on Tuesday December 09, 2014 @04:58AM (#8721943)
Before you project your anecdot as a massive generalization of all PHD programs, consider the fact that at least in computer science, there are VERY happy PHDs working at Google, Twitter, FB and others who are glad to have an expertise in fields like machine learning, NLP, IR and computer vision which otherwise would be difficult to attain. Many of these people in fact got hired at these companies because of their PHD degree. In fact, just about few years ago Google had reputation of sweeping clean pretty much all CS PhDs from top 50 schools IIRC. So getting PHD in fields like CS is definitely not a waste of time. Now sure you can end up with bad advisor but that's where you are supposed to do your homework ie background checks on professors and consult former students on their experience. The process of choosing advisor is very critical, you need to find your cultural fit and you need to have very strong intersection on research areas. If you don't have a lot of choice then you are likely underqualified and you would end up choosing something suboptimal that is destined to make you unhappy. Perhaps you were better off just looking for real job in that case instead of insisting on PHD degree. Either way I don't see why your experience with your advisor should be a reason to universally downgrade all PHD programs out there.
Re:Should I Get a Ph.D.? by dalke on Tuesday December 09, 2014 @06:21AM (#8722169)
harveywi never suggested that a PhD program was all doom and gloom nor that it was personal anecdote. I, for one, agree with harveywi's observations.

Carl Vogel - one of the people questioned on the site - does too, in the comment: "The world is full of miserable grad students. Stressed-out, depressed, uncertain about when or if they’ll graduate and what will happen to them when they do. Far more people go into Ph.D. programs than should."

Vogel is the least optimistic about graduate school of the people interviewed, and also the only one who is neither a PhD nor a current PhD student. This is in line with harveywi's comment about survivorship bias. Your response assumes the same bias, by only considering those finish a PhD from a top school, and diminishing the 50% who did not finish by saying they were "underqualified" or solely at fault for making a suboptimal decision, not recognizing that resolving that question of staying in school (and the potential to be hired at Google) vs. leaving (and being branded 'underqualified' by people like you) is no simple matter.

Re:Should I Get a Ph.D.? by sytelus on Tuesday December 09, 2014 @03:55PM (#8725658)
While you worry about survivorship bias, you also want to be careful about confirmation bias :). If you only know miserable PHDs because you know more people who been in to bad programs or so-so schools then world would look very gloomy indeed.
Re:Should I Get a Ph.D.? by dalke on Tuesday December 09, 2014 @04:11PM (#8725781)
I don't understand your point. Could you explain it, and hopefully in context of my comment at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8722219 which provide some links to research which suggests that "67 percent of graduate students said they had felt hopeless at least once in the last year; 54 percent felt so depressed they had a hard time functioning; and nearly 10 percent said they had considered suicide, a 2004 survey found. By comparison, an estimated 9.5 percent of American adults suffer from depressive disorders in a given year, according to the National Institute of Mental Health."

Some of the research was for UC, which has neither a bad program nor is a so-so school.