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Re:NASA: We're sending humans to Mars by valarauca1 on Tuesday December 02, 2014 @02:16PM (#8689147)
NASA's annual revenue is 73% SpaceX's market cap.

But lets pretend that doesn't matter. Musk makes a solid ~1.1 billion a year off of various investments, and has ~11.7 billion in assets. Even if he dumped all that in SpaceX, you'd sill be ~6billion short of NASA's budget. Implying those assests could be quickly liquidated.

Even if we assume SpaceX has more/better talent then NASA. Your still working with at least an order of magnitude lower budget. Which is massive, especially when we are talking about the difference between $1bil/yr and $10 billion/yr

Re:NASA: We're sending humans to Mars by nawitus on Tuesday December 02, 2014 @02:20PM (#8689184)
NASA does a lot of things, only some of which are related to any journey to Mars. Of course, they might suddenly drop everything and work towards sending humans.
Re:NASA: We're sending humans to Mars by VLM on Tuesday December 02, 2014 @02:52PM (#8689404)
As an example of a lot of things, New Horizons is coming out of hibernation this Saturday. It sends a periodic "ok" beacon every couple weeks or whatever since launch in the 00s, but its booting up for real this Saturday.

Pluto flyby mid next july...

Re:NASA: We're sending humans to Mars by danielweber on Tuesday December 02, 2014 @04:27PM (#8690027)
The estimate in 1996 was ~30 billion for a trip to Mars. SpaceX has been accumulating the needed rocket technologies.

Roughly, the tech needed is:

1. heavy-lift

2. Mars EDL

3. artificial g for the trip and return

4. in-situ fuel production

5. methane rockets

SpaceX has been developing heavy-lift at a profit, so that takes care of #1. They are also working on #5, although I'm not sure off-hand who their customers are. (Methane has volume advantages over LH/LOX that might make it better for smaller missions.)

There are still some other pieces of the pie that need assembled. Rockets are surely a part of #2, but Musk is essentially building a company that will sell him a trip to Mars.

Re:NASA: We're sending humans to Mars by valarauca1 on Tuesday December 02, 2014 @05:50PM (#8690590)
The advantage of methane is that it can be produced natively out of the martian atmosphere. Heat + Metal Catalyst + C02 + H2 = Methane + O2

Also hydrogen + O2 = water. So basically you ship the astronauts with nothing but hydrogen and live off the land. Or this is what the Mars Society was calling for.

Re:NASA: We're sending humans to Mars by seanflyon on Wednesday December 03, 2014 @05:02PM (#8696589)
89% (by mass) of hydrogen/oxygen fuel can also be produced from Martian atmosphere, since Oxygen has an atomic mass 16 times that of hydrogen. I think Methane has advantages other than a slightly larger portion producible from Martian air.
Re:NASA: We're sending humans to Mars by danielweber on Tuesday December 02, 2014 @07:01PM (#8690970)
Yes, any launch from Mars is very likely to be methane.

I was just trying to figure out how SpaceX could fund its development of methane rockets before that, through domestic use of methane rockets.