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Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by aikah on Sunday November 30, 2014 @12:28PM (#8677356)
AFAIK neither California or Alaska are countries.
Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by Nursie on Sunday November 30, 2014 @01:24PM (#8677541)
They share a currency.

The US federal model is considerably more devolved than most regions in most countries. The EU nations, particularly the so-called Eurozone where currency is shared and economies are tightly bound, are closer to US states than most other independent countries are. There's a spectrum.

Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by disputin on Sunday November 30, 2014 @03:22PM (#8677943)
> They share a currency.

So do the US and Zimbabwe.

The issue is only partly economic, it's also cultural. Europe's countries are far more culturally varied than US states; different opinions, different priorities, different norms. Crimea, Basque, Scot, Northern Ireland... The economies are also sufficiently varied that one ring to rule them all is absurd, resulting in tensions between the historical cultural groups, aka countries. The UK is increasingly interesting on this matter.

Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by Nursie on Sunday November 30, 2014 @05:25PM (#8678413)
They share a currency and have intertwined economies, the currency is managed for all the countries and this is nothing like the Zimbabwe situation.
Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by disputin on Sunday November 30, 2014 @11:44PM (#8679536)
> "this is nothing like the Zimbabwe situation"

Um, yeah. Think you've misunderstood.

Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by Nursie on Tuesday December 02, 2014 @03:52PM (#8689813)
Probably. Wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last!
Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by jarek on Sunday November 30, 2014 @01:02PM (#8677473)
What is a country?

I'll just keep on turning it around - why would some folks in New York, for instance, decide for people living in Alabama, or Wyoming?

Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by davidw on Sunday November 30, 2014 @02:49PM (#8677832)
The total population of Wyoming is of course lower than the city/county of San Francisco, which means that in reality, things are more biased towards Wyoming deciding for Californians, because they still get their two senators and one representative despite the small population.
Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by flatdeviant on Sunday November 30, 2014 @02:15PM (#8677736)
Yet nobody in Alabama wants to secede. A significant chunk of European citizens are against the European Union.

Plus, the cultural, historic, linguistic similarities between Alamaba and Woyming are infinitely greater than between the UK and Croatia. A person visiting Alabama from Texas isn't a "stranger", and wouldn't be treated or considered as one.

Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by jarek on Sunday November 30, 2014 @06:19PM (#8678635)
> Plus, the cultural, historic, linguistic similarities between Alamaba and Woyming are infinitely greater than between the UK and Croatia. A person visiting Alabama from Texas isn't a "stranger", and wouldn't be treated or considered as one.

Move a city boy from New Jersey to Alaska or deep Lousiana and see how much of a stranger he ends up being, even if the language is technically the same.

Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by thrownaway2424 on Sunday November 30, 2014 @04:56PM (#8678282)
Haha. You haven't ever been to Alabama, I take it? In 2012 they got 32000 people to sign a petition in favor of secession.
Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by mtviewdave on Sunday November 30, 2014 @02:07PM (#8677711)
>What is a country?

Google "Westphalian Sovereignty" and go from there.

Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by jarek on Sunday November 30, 2014 @04:25PM (#8678157)
That just goes down the rabbit hole. What is a nation state? What is a nation?

Is Scotland a country? Is Wales?

Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by rmc on Monday December 01, 2014 @08:36AM (#8680828)
Is Germany? Is the UK?
Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by jarek on Monday December 01, 2014 @10:41AM (#8681581)
The point behind the Scotland question is if UK can have some control over Scotland with Scotland remaining a country, even without being fully sovereign from the UK, why doesn't the same apply to members of other higher-level states like EU?

One can make arguments like "why would some folks in England, for instance, decide for people living in Scotland, or Northern Ireland?" but where do you draw the line? Wales has less autonomy than Scotland but is still a "country" on Wikipedia, are they oppressed? Inverness has social policy dictated from the Lowlands, is it not a true democracy then? `davidw in the next comment thread over isn't too happy with the amount of power Wyoming has over California, can it work in the long run? Or is it only EU federation that HN will complain about?

Re:Swiss reject additional immigration curbs by rmc on Sunday November 30, 2014 @01:53PM (#8677649)
How do you define a country? Is Scotland a country?