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Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by lelandbatey on Monday November 24, 2014 @06:57PM (#8655475)
Yeah, I agree. I think it's actually fantastic that they focus so narrowly on answerable questions. It's still a super useful resource, and a tight focus means it will probably be able to stay on track for a long long time.

However, I wish there was a place as fantastically focused on good discussion.

Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by bunderbunder on Monday November 24, 2014 @08:39PM (#8655850)
On the other hand, in the past few years I've found that all of the most useful Stack Overflow or P.SE pages I've found when Googling for information have turned out to be questions with 25+ upvotes, with answers having 50ish upvotes. And all closed as "not constructive."

It's certainly staying on track, but it's worth noting that many track-related analogies are pejoratives that focus on the way that you can't steer vehicles that go on tracks. I suspect an inordinate amount of incoming traffic to Stack Exchange is for information that only Stack Exchange apparently thinks (not just by the closing, but by the choice of words in explaining the reason for the closing) is not particularly valuable. Methinks that's evidence that the community governance has become an echo chamber - otherwise one should think that the people running this company would have identified a gap in the market that they could be exploiting by now.

Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by StuieK on Monday November 24, 2014 @09:10PM (#8655946)
Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by stinos on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @03:56AM (#8656928)
Yeah slant is ok, but still needs more users/moderation to be as useful as SO (even despite questions getting closed). Eg I browse to http://www.slant.co/topics/799/~what-are-the-best-continuous... and it lists 'Visual Studio default theme' as an option with one recommendation. So I signed in but I see no way to tell a mod that it doesn't belong there? (I could add a con saying 'This is not a CI' though)
Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by StuieK on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @07:39AM (#8657440)
(couldn't reply to the child comment)

>Only some minor points, for the rest I really like the interface and functionality:

Thanks :) Do you like what we did with the sources? (example: http://bit.ly/1va9Aj6. The favicons act like tabs if you didn't notice)

- it's a tad confusing that in a list with questions every question has 3 links. Two of them are the same (queston title itself 'See All Options') so I'd remove the latter as it doesn't really add anything useful imo.

Good point. I'll double check with the analytics in the morning and see if we can simplify.

- it's not clear to me what the 'Best' sorting option means

It's very opaque at the moment as I'm experimenting with various sorting algorithms almost weekly. Once I nail something down I'll work on the UI transparency.

- a built-in way to link questions wouldn't be bad. For example there's a 'What are the best over-ear headphones under $200?' but also a 'What are the best over/on ear headphones around $300?' and in the latter the Sennheiser HD598 wins while it doesn't in the former. Something like a 'This is Related To' button which then pops up something similar to SO's duplicate question window.

We're building this! Not only "this is related to" but the ability to easily sync/add pro's from one occurrence of an option to another. (Yep, I'm aware of the potential issues with changing context, it's not going to be an auto sync, more like "suggested pros/cons/sources")

- which reminds me: not sure if it can be done but eventually you'll probably need a way to remove or rather merge duplicates

This is part of the same flagging project I'm in the middle of.

- just figured that after adding a pro, I still have to vote for it. It would make sense to do this automatically?

I keep going back and forth on this. A lot of people add pros/cons to be good community members, not necessarily due to them personally agreeing with them. I think it will end up being a checkbox that's enabled by default.

Thanks so much for taking the time to help us out! I'll keep working away until you describe Slant as "amazing" instead of "ok" :)

(btw if you want to help us shape the product even further we have a meta.slant.co)

Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by stinos on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @08:02AM (#8657518)
> Do you like what we did with the sources?

oh yes, that's nice. Bug (on FF) though: the favicon disappears after having clicked on a tabs.

Your effort/enthusiasm sounds good for the rest :]. I'll check meta.

Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by StuieK on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @06:40AM (#8657301)
I'm honestly really sorry about that, we're in the middle of building a flagging system at the moment. Up until now we typically have been using the comment to moderate but this is obviously really inefficient.

I removed that option, thanks for pointing that out. We have a long way to go on the moderation side of things.

Anything else you don't like/wish we had?

Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by stinos on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @07:14AM (#8657379)
Only some minor points, for the rest I really like the interface and functionality:

- it's a tad confusing that in a list with questions every question has 3 links. Two of them are the same (queston title itself 'See All Options') so I'd remove the latter as it doesn't really add anything useful imo.

- it's not clear to me what the 'Best' sorting option means

- a built-in way to link questions wouldn't be bad. For example there's a 'What are the best over-ear headphones under $200?' but also a 'What are the best over/on ear headphones around $300?' and in the latter the Sennheiser HD598 wins while it doesn't in the former. Something like a 'This is Related To' button which then pops up something similar to SO's duplicate question window.

- which reminds me: not sure if it can be done but eventually you'll probably need a way to remove or rather merge duplicates

- just figured that after adding a pro, I still have to vote for it. It would make sense to do this automatically?

Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by colordrops on Monday November 24, 2014 @08:16PM (#8655792)
Wouldn't this be easily solved by adding a "discussion" link from the question page to a wiki/forum page for more free-form or reddit-vote style questions?
Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by solistice on Monday November 24, 2014 @07:06PM (#8655518)
Isn't Jeff Atwoods working on Discourse right now?
Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by GFK_of_xmaspast on Monday November 24, 2014 @07:28PM (#8655620)
A good online community comes from the users and the management, not the software.
Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by the_af on Monday November 24, 2014 @07:43PM (#8655673)
Isn't Discourse software aimed at improving internet forums rather than a discussion venue in itself? It's not comparable to stackexchange, which is software plus a community.
Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by solistice on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @08:50AM (#8657670)
But stack-everything only has such a vibrant and focused community because community rules have been made as clear as they have. If you go through Jeff Atwoods blog, you'll see that they are making the same considerations for Discourse, which has it's own "community rules" that ship with it. They're not only writing better forum software, they're also investigating what makes great forums great and horrible forums horrid and they're baking it into their product.
Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by fidz on Monday November 24, 2014 @07:36PM (#8655647)
What do you think about Quora?
Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by SquareWheel on Monday November 24, 2014 @10:08PM (#8656082)
Isn't that the spammy site that insists you log in to view answers? I always took it as another Experts Exchange.
Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by mlvljr on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @03:48AM (#8656912)
Wait, these are different sites??
Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by username223 on Monday November 24, 2014 @10:31PM (#8656170)
The "?share=1" guys? Mostly useless.
Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by paradite on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @03:25AM (#8656851)
What exactly does it do? And is this a bad practice?
Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by teh_klev on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @05:30AM (#8657142)
>What exactly does it do?

It does this:

http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/43179/how-can-i-r...

And it's officially supported:

https://blog.quora.com/Making-Sharing-Better

But you still need to sign up/in in to casually browse.

>And is this a bad practice?

It's pretty user hostile which is why I personally never used the site.

Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by girvo on Monday November 24, 2014 @08:39PM (#8655852)
That hiding answers to people who aren't logged in is user-hostile.
Re:IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow by yuhong on Tuesday November 25, 2014 @01:09AM (#8656569)
Targets a different audience with different kinds of questions.