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Re:Miguel de Icaza responds to latest RMS article by barrkel on Tuesday October 06, 2009 @10:12AM (#864136)
http://www.jwz.org/hacks/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossi...

(FWIW, I respect rms's purity of ideology, and I respect how it broadens the debate, but I don't think his extreme represents a desired end goal.)

Re:Miguel de Icaza responds to latest RMS article by bbgm on Tuesday October 06, 2009 @10:22AM (#864162)
And I have the opposite opinion. Ideology = a lack of flexibility and a very closed mind, neither of which is a constructive state and achieves little in the long run.
Re:Miguel de Icaza responds to latest RMS article by barrkel on Tuesday October 06, 2009 @10:54AM (#864245)
Most people don't have the courage of conviction. To stake out a position with a mental framework that supports it, and to live by what that position implies, is difficult.

I don't think one can say that RMS didn't achieve much. He supplied the seed, directly or indirectly, to many free and open software accomplishments. I don't think that would have happened if he'd been wishy-washy, flexible, easy-going guy. He'd certainly have been easier to like, but probably not as effective.

And to reiterate, I don't subscribe to rms's opinion, or think he's right on everything, or anything in particular without further investigation. But I do think lack of compromise is harder than it looks.

Re:Miguel de Icaza responds to latest RMS article by Nelson69 on Tuesday October 06, 2009 @03:53PM (#865043)
I respect the hell out of RMS and his accomplishments. On this and some other issues I do think there is a blurriness to his ideology. Technologies don't have an intrinsic goodness or evilness to them, even DRM, it's just technology the good and the evil come from how it is used.

So I look at something like Mono, it's a remarkable piece of technology. It's a fairly lightweight managed VM, just like Java but completely and 100% opensource, built on opensource for opensource. It works too and it works pretty well at what it does. There is no "good" or "evil" component to it. Now Microsoft potentially have patents that cover parts of it that they could threaten to use, that's a risk but that risk will also expire at some point. The Linux kernel also has patents that potentially cover parts of it, including patents the Microsoft owns but that's not being treated as a taboo... RMS waters his own statement down by blurring that line between technologies and how the technologies are used.

Instead of bullying Miguel, he should bully MS to further clarify their stance and continue to open their position on the technologies used by Mono. he should be fighting to free that stuff rather than bash one of the biggest contributors to his movement.

Re:Miguel de Icaza responds to latest RMS article by yan on Tuesday October 06, 2009 @10:23AM (#864166)
What's there to respect about purity of ideology? Being pure and ignorant of other opinions is the easy way out. Learning and understanding alternate points of view and working with those people is what's worth respect, imho.
Re:Miguel de Icaza responds to latest RMS article by stcredzero on Tuesday October 06, 2009 @10:30AM (#864186)
Being pure and ignorant of other opinions is the easy way out.

There is nothing in ideological purity that demands ignorance of other opinions. And just because you're cognizant of someone's opinion, doesn't mean you have to agree. RMS can say what he wants, and I'm sure he's not ignorant of other's opinions. If you don't like what he says, don't do what he says. If you don't like his philosophy, maybe you shouldn't use GNU software? He doesn't force you to use any software. (Which is more than can be said for lots of corporations.)

Re:Miguel de Icaza responds to latest RMS article by yan on Tuesday October 06, 2009 @10:47AM (#864227)
That's exactly opposite of what I think is actually going on. I don't want to get into a GPL vs BSD argument, but he does say people should not use commercial software, thus limiting their options to often less useful free software equivalents. And corporations do give you choice in usage as you can always opt to not buy software from them. A well-regulated commercial market is all about choice.
Re:Miguel de Icaza responds to latest RMS article by gloob on Tuesday October 06, 2009 @11:20AM (#864322)
he does say people should not use commercial software

Commercial != non-free. Stallman doesn't, to my knowledge, have an issue with the former. He rather dislikes the latter.

Re:Miguel de Icaza responds to latest RMS article by randallsquared on Tuesday October 06, 2009 @10:37AM (#864204)
In striking martial arts, they teach you to aim your strikes at a point beyond the real point where your strike will end.