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Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by pnathan on Thursday November 20, 2014 @10:49PM (#8639728)
No. Rebuilding the entire userspace set of services to be a systemd cluster is not nice. It's essentially redoing the traditional Linux approach, which has worked relatively well for years. There are a number of things that could be split out and made more modular - c.f., uselessd for a more in-depth analysis.

To be clear, I'm not claiming that SysV init is The Best Way. Shell scripts are not the Happiest Place. But I am claiming that systemd is a crummy and overbearing replacement.

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by pgeorgi on Friday November 21, 2014 @04:29AM (#8640500)
> It's essentially redoing the traditional Linux approach

It seems like that's part of their mission statement, given comments like this: "Some day, we will have turned the old crap into a real operating system. :)" -- Kay Sievers (https://plus.google.com/+TomGundersen/posts/eztZWbwmxM8)

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by makomk on Friday November 21, 2014 @04:45AM (#8640537)
Yeah, and they seem to be using Windows as their model of what a "real operating system" looks like.
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by lucian1900 on Friday November 21, 2014 @05:17AM (#8640617)
Both Windows and OS X have a unified management mechanism.

In fact, OS X's launchd was a direct inspiration for systemd because of how nicely it works there. I've wanted launchd on servers for so many years.

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by dijit on Friday November 21, 2014 @07:25AM (#8640928)
OSX is not an appropriate choice for a server, and Windows has limited reputation in my mind since they put the GUI in kernel space.

we should not emulate the things we've overtaken and have a higher server market share than. Something we've been doing before is doing it right, and I believe it's the ability to be dynamic and modular.

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by lucian1900 on Friday November 21, 2014 @09:03AM (#8641268)
Windows is actually used on servers quite a bit, but that's besides the point.

Service management has been a problem on (Linux) servers for a long time. Just because launchd originates on a desktop doesn't mean it's not a good idea.