Systemd redux: The end of Linux

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by johnny22 on Thursday November 20, 2014 @10:37PM (#8639689)

it was tested enough to ship in redhat enterprise linux 7.

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Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by chronid on Friday November 21, 2014 @08:08AM (#8641055)

Upstart was tested enough to ship in RHEL6. It does not mean it works perfectly and has no bugs.

But systemd IS NOT only an init system.

So if systemd 208 (until 213) by default saves the core files in the journal and your core file is bigger that what systemd devs decided was appropriate in a .c file (around 768MB, IIRC), you lose it. That is _inacceptable_.

And while we (=the company i work for) still have not officially started our evaluation of the platform, if RHEL7(.0) does not have this bug fixed then I will be strongly against supporting it officially, since in case of crash we would not be able to get or pass up to the devs the core file for analysis.

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Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by wvenable on Friday November 21, 2014 @01:24PM (#8642509)

> So if systemd 208 (until 213) by default saves the core files in the journal and your core file is bigger that what systemd devs decided was appropriate in a .c file (around 768MB, IIRC), you lose it. That is _inacceptable_.

Is that not, however, a simple fix? There might be a case of death by million cuts but that's true of any new software that replaces any existing software.

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Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by digi_owl on Friday November 21, 2014 @03:13AM (#8640316)

RH still offers support for RHEL6, and will do so for years to come. It will be interesting to see how quickly 7 gets adopted outside of cloud instances.

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Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by calpaterson on Friday November 21, 2014 @04:56AM (#8640567)

They support much further back that that. Red Hat still offers support for RHEL4 and will do until March 31, 2017. It was originally released in 2005.

They'll be supporting RHEL7 (with Systemd 208) in some form until 2027

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Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by fapjacks on Friday November 21, 2014 @01:44AM (#8640125)

Lennart Poettering works for Red Hat, btw.

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Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by johnny22 on Friday November 21, 2014 @02:57AM (#8640282)

so? that doesn't make systemd automatically stable enough to be used on redhat's flagship product.

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Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by nitrogen on Friday November 21, 2014 @03:41AM (#8640394)

This line of reasoning is drifting dangerously close to the conformist call of "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" or in this case, RedHat. If systemd turns out to be a mistake in RHEL, it wouldn't be the first time something enterprisey did something wrong. We (Linux users) can't afford to let enterprise thinking, which is often more political than technical, dominate the community.

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Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by digi_owl on Friday November 21, 2014 @03:15AM (#8640322)

I sometimes wonder if the whole systemd push is a "gottcha" in the direction of Oracle and their RHEL clone.

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