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Re:Bastion hosts by tptacek on Thursday November 20, 2014 @05:31PM (#8638591)
You're not thinking the threat model through. If you're not concerned about the kinds of serious, dedicated attackers who have OpenSSH zero-day, you're fine leaving properly-configured OpenSSH exposed. If you are concerned about those attackers, port knocking is barely a speed bump.

I also dispute that a plugboard proxy is "more complicated" than "cryptographic port knocking".

Re:Bastion hosts by arde on Thursday November 20, 2014 @11:15PM (#8639781)
I agree with what you say regarding the APT scenario, port knocking is mostly useless there. It wouldn't be an effective camouflage in that case, and one probably has bigger problems than a hypothetical OpenSSH zero-day then.

I'm not aware of any available plugboard proxy solution, so it would have the added complication of hacking it together. That's what I meant. And there are diminishing returns there: a non-criptographic port knocking scheme with a few packets could be good enough as a camouflage in many cases. But I still find it to be a time saver in the more general case (not APT). I think having cleaner logs is worth using this simple trick then.

Re:Bastion hosts by philsnow on Saturday November 22, 2014 @04:23PM (#8646706)
> If you are concerned about those attackers, port knocking is barely a speed bump.

is this because you expect this class of attackers to be able to thwart port knocking more or less trivially ?