The development team officially released PHP/FI 2 in November 1997 after months of beta testing. Afterwards, public testing of PHP 3 began, and the official launch came in June 1998. Suraski and Gutmans then started a new rewrite of PHP's core, producing the Zend Engine in 1999. They also founded Zend Technologies in Ramat Gan, Israel. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP).

"Mozilla" is sometimes used to refer to the free and open source software project that was founded in order to create the next-generation Internet suite for Netscape. The Mozilla Organization was founded in 1998 to create the new suite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla Apache is a bit older about 1996.

My contention and my challenge is in respect to the "SUCKS". I found it totally disrespectful and arrogant. These programmers were hackers and they still are. They were pioneers they were 'real engineers' that used the available tools to the maximum, pretty much like what people are doing together with whatever product is at the forefront.

I am not an evangelist for either PHP or DRUPAL, I have used both many times over with success, even if the process was painful. For web applications the way most HN users would understand them, they are not the greatest of tools especially DRUPAL, however if one is proficient in PHP they can use one of the frameworks (CAKEPHP, CodeIgniter, Kohana) to pretty do any development within a reasonable time period.