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Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by Goronmon on Friday November 07, 2014 @01:02AM (#8571379)
It's beyond ridiculous; teachers are being put in charge of classrooms of minors, while being denied the right to carry arms to protect them effectively.

It literally boggles my mind that people make this suggestion with any sincerity.

Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by duncan_bayne on Friday November 07, 2014 @01:10AM (#8571394)
What does a mind look like when it's literally boggling? :)

Seriously though, either:

- school shootings are a statistically significant threat, in which case, arming teachers who wish to be armed seems reasonable

or

- school shootings aren't statistically significant, in which case, enough with the fear-mongering already

Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by voltagex_ on Friday November 07, 2014 @02:00AM (#8571482)
Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by adamnemecek on Friday November 07, 2014 @01:55AM (#8571473)
It really is too bad that there are only those two options. /s
Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by duncan_bayne on Friday November 07, 2014 @04:09AM (#8571724)
How long would you say it'd take to disarm America? To a point that had an effect on school shootings? What do you plan to do in the intervening, say, century or so?

You can't point to other countries with no guns and just wish it were like that where you are. It isn't, it won't be for a very long time, and to pretend otherwise is just wishful thinking.

Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by adamnemecek on Friday November 07, 2014 @04:33AM (#8571774)
Why would it take a century? Idk, 2-3 years? Like 5 tops.
Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by duncan_bayne on Friday November 07, 2014 @04:48AM (#8571810)
Really? You genuinely believe that you could usefully reduce the number of guns in the US in 5 years?
Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by dllthomas on Friday November 07, 2014 @10:57AM (#8573068)
"usefully" to what purpose?
Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by LyndsySimon on Friday November 07, 2014 @11:13AM (#8573166)
How many functional firearms do you think there are in the US?
Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by adamnemecek on Friday November 07, 2014 @12:19PM (#8573549)
Like 1 per person.
Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by LyndsySimon on Friday November 07, 2014 @12:49PM (#8573669)
You know there are about 300 million firearms in the US, and you think the government would be able to confiscate them all in 5 years?

That seems a little silly to me - especially considering the rate of non-compliance with previous registration schemes. In California more "assault weapons" were sold in the state in the three months prior to the registration deadline than were registered. In Connecticut there are people calling for armed conflict over a similar registration scheme, and the reports I've seen say that there are about 100k unregistered weapons there.

Regardless of how you feel about guns, to believe that America could be disarmed in 5 years is exceedingly naïve.

Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by adamnemecek on Friday November 07, 2014 @01:32PM (#8573936)
Logistically non-trivial? Sure. Impossible? I don't think so. For example the IRS manages to do an operation of similar scale every year, in a couple of months.
Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by ars on Friday November 07, 2014 @01:21AM (#8571415)
Makes sense to me. What's strange about it to you?

Seems like the best plan is to give weapons to those most responsible, rather than only those who would use them for bad.

It's not like all guns are just going to disappear into thin air.

Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by mercurial on Friday November 07, 2014 @02:59AM (#8571589)
> Seems like the best plan is to give weapons to those most responsible, rather than only those who would use them for bad.

That's the old Charlton Heston argument. There are "good" people and "bad" people. How likely is it that a teacher is going to flip and kill Andy, 16, next time he shoots his mouth off?

> It's not like all guns are just going to disappear into thin air.

The UK essentially legislated away private gun ownership years ago. But of course, it's a society choice. I'd rather live in a society where my kid can go to school safely, with no guns on the premises.

Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by Crito on Friday November 07, 2014 @03:46AM (#8571685)
> "That's the old Charlton Heston argument. There are "good" people and "bad" people."

It's true though. Even better, we can in practice select "good people" (defined as "won't murder somebody with a gun") from the general public with an exceedingly low false positive rate (although with a high false negative rate).

The combination of having to fill out stacks of paperwork for the ATF, go through their background checks, pay a $200 per-gun tax, and pay several thousands of dollars for the gun itself makes for a very effective "good people" filter.

Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by mercurial on Friday November 07, 2014 @06:53AM (#8572096)
It makes for an unconvincing argument when you consider that the guns involved in the Lanza shooting were legally held, for instance. Same thing for Breivik. The fact is, it's disproportionally easy to kill a large number of people with semi-automatic weapons. One false positive means a lot of dead people. Not to mention the risk of theft by less savoury characters, assuming the filter did work in the first place.
Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by Crito on Monday November 10, 2014 @07:40PM (#8587605)
That isolated false positives created a lot of dead people, but even when you look at the statistics of how many dead people were killed by rich or poor people, the statistics are still overwhelmingly against poor people. Breivik and Lanza are exceptions that proof the rule.

Furthermore, people purchasing semi-automatic weapons are not subjected to the scrutiny that I described. What I described is the process that you go through if you want to buy an automatic weapon. The high price of semi-automatic rifles such as AR-15's discourage use by people who would abuse them, but the even higher price of automatic weapons is even more effective. Only two people have been murdered with legally owned automatic weapons since the 1930s.

Re:A pre-K teacher on the trouble with lockdown drills by mercurial on Tuesday November 11, 2014 @07:11AM (#8589435)
I'm a bit lost wrt what argument you're trying to make here. What does rich vs poor has to do with anything?