News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Capitalism Has Gone Off the Rails by dragonwriter on Monday November 03, 2014 @10:20AM (#8551157)
> What, precisely, do you believe poor Americans are suffering from? The only concrete answer I usually hear is envy (I.e. "oh noes the inequality").

Even if that was the only thing and the only source of suffering for poor Americans was relative deprivation compared to others in their immediate context, so what? Relative deprivation is an important, extensively empirically demonstrated, source of disutility. If one is interested in alleviating actual human suffering that exists, rather than artificially creating self-justifying excuses to defend perpetuating suffering, one would recognize that it is an important problem (not necessarily something which we should blindly bear every cost to minimize, as doing so may at some point do more to exacerbate other sources of suffering than it does to alleviate the suffering directly attributable to relative deprivation, but likewise something that should be considered, weighed, and addressed to the extent practical without doing more harm than good.)

Re:Capitalism Has Gone Off the Rails by yummyfajitas on Monday November 03, 2014 @10:36AM (#8551272)
Envy is a source of disutility. So is pooping in a field because you lack a flush toilet.

If you feel that forcing more people to poop in the field in order to reduce feelings of envy among wealthy Americans is a good thing, make that argument.

Re:Capitalism Has Gone Off the Rails by dragonwriter on Monday November 03, 2014 @11:04AM (#8551465)
> If you feel that forcing more people to poop in the field in order to reduce feelings of envy among wealthy Americans is a good thing,

wealthy Americans aren't the ones facing relative deprivation (which is why the reference upthread was to "poor Americans"), nor is it a problem only in America -- inequality (with a strong and persistent ethnic basis to the inequality) is something that neoliberal international trade regimes promote on both the more developed and less developed sides of trade arrangements.

See, e.g., World On Fire: How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred and Global Instability, Amy Chua (2003).