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Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by zepolud on Friday October 31, 2014 @03:17PM (#8540572)
Test pilots? In the 21st century?

I find it absolutely reckless and inexcusable to require live humans riding on a prototype rocket when you have all the processing power needed to automate/remote manage the vehicle literally in your pocket.

EDIT: To those downvoting, you should really check that all current spaceplanes have the capability to fly and land autonomously--Boeing X-37, Dream Chaser, even Buran was fully autonomous and that was 25 years ago. There is simply no excuse for Virgin for being sloppy.

Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by apr on Friday October 31, 2014 @04:21PM (#8540904)
I think armchair quarterbacking is reckless and inexcusable. These people has been working on airplanes and space crafts for some time now and I would trust their judgment. Especially given that they put their own lives on the line.
Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by zepolud on Friday October 31, 2014 @04:58PM (#8541100)
"These people" that designed the spaceplane didn't put their lives on the line, they put the lives of the pilots on the line. And I would trust the judgment of the engineers at Boeing, Sierra Nevada, SpaceX, Lockheed-Martin and the entire Soviet space program over theirs.
Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by winslow on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:12PM (#8541162)
Really... You are going to trust the entire Soviet space program compared to the engineers behind this project? I really don't think they were being reckless with having pilots. Ultimately, their plan was to take other patrons up to space. You will need personal (experienced space flight attendants) while conducting the flight. This is obviously tragic and my thoughts go out to the families affected. However, when you are trying to do something as complex as space travel and leaving earth you will unfortunately have mishaps and deaths.

Please have a look here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_space_program#Incidents....

Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by zepolud on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:33PM (#8541232)
Please read the context of the first post--I'm referring to the engineers behind the specifically mentioned Buran program, an autonomous spaceplane that launched, flew and landed with no crew.

If the Soviets deemed it too risky for human pilots and managed to automate it 25 years ago maybe that should put it into perspective just how risky and reckless what Virgin are doing is.

Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by gohrt on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:28PM (#8541215)
So the pilot died in order to make Richard Branson's space tourists have a safer and more enjoyable weekend. Cool.
Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by JoeAltmaier on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:30PM (#8541222)
The pilot died trying to make a cheap, reusable orbiter a reality. The tourists are there to help pay for it.
Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by zepolud on Friday October 31, 2014 @06:07PM (#8541330)
It's not even that; it's suborbital.
Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by pwnna on Saturday November 01, 2014 @12:26AM (#8542184)
Gotta establish a suborbital trajectory to reach orbit, though.

One step at a time.

Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by nawitus on Friday October 31, 2014 @04:02PM (#8540813)
>I find it absolutely reckless and inexcusable to require live humans riding on a prototype rocket when you have all the processing power needed to automate/remote manage the vehicle literally in your pocket.

I think people should make that decision themselves.

Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by pwnna on Saturday November 01, 2014 @12:37AM (#8542202)
The following is purely personal opinion. Feel free to disprove me.

I think at the moment, and into the foreseeable future, a human at the pilot seat for an experimental craft, where all sorts of unexpected scenarios could pop up, would be much better suited than an automated "test" pilot, given that sometimes you don't even necessarily have the correct parameters of your plane/rocket to program a successful autopilot.

Keep in mind that people at Virgin Galactic will have finite resources. Even if you can automate something that can access very unexpected situations and make a correct decision on what to do, the cost of doing that vs a test pilot is going to be much higher.

As far as I'm aware, aircraft autopilot systems do not perform well when unexpected mechanical failures occur and usually defer to humans by sounding alarms and such.

As for rockets, especially test ones, usually the automated system that makes a call when mechanical failures occur involves self destruct to prevent collateral damages.

Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by seanflyon on Friday October 31, 2014 @04:33PM (#8540975)
It looks like this was the first time they turned on the engine with a new fuel plastic base fuel. I don't understand why they had humans strapped in when testing an experimental fuel in an experimental rocket engine.

"During the nine months since the previous rocket-powered test in January, Virgin Galactic switched SpaceShipTwo's fuel mixture from a rubber-based compound to a plastic-based mix"

Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by pwnna on Saturday November 01, 2014 @12:29AM (#8542189)
They definitely tested the engines on the ground[1]. You have to give the engineers the benefit of the doubt, at the very least.

[1]: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JBrl96U...

Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by thelucky41 on Friday October 31, 2014 @06:33PM (#8541431)
I dream of one day becoming a test pilot. Especially in ships during their developmental stages, unaccounted for situations will come up, and a human capable of assessing and managing these situations are necessary.

For each of the technologies involved with the X-37, et al., that technology required testing with a human-in-the-loop to act as the judge for if the control output made sense. It simply isn't feasible to begin testing your robot pilot without first testing it with a pilot there in the first place.

Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by diminoten on Friday October 31, 2014 @04:43PM (#8541026)
At some point you need to put people in those ships, and at some point you need to put test people in ships you eventually want to put people into.

Where is the line?

Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by organsnyder on Friday October 31, 2014 @04:50PM (#8541060)
Of course it's easy to say this in hindsight, but I might draw that line somewhere around where you're trying out a new fuel for the first time.
Re:SpaceshipTwo crashes shortly after Mojave test flight by diminoten on Friday October 31, 2014 @04:55PM (#8541082)
Yeah, well you're always trying something for the first time.

But I get what you mean. It's a tough thing to figure out, and hindsight is always going to be "well we shouldn't have done that".