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Re:Lawrence Lessig Interviews Edward Snowden [video] by tptacek on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:56PM (#8516639)
Intentionally or, I presume! not, you're "spreading" the debate. It was not my claim that telecom companies didn't help the USG spy on their users. It was not my claim that the controlling interpretation of every security law was public. It was not my claim that NSA is working in good faith with technology.

The claim I was responding to is that CALEA and PATRIOT have the effect of compelling all major US technology companies to implement key escrow or, more generously, some cryptographic or UX compromise with the same effect, in order to effectuate SIGINT.

I know this claim to be false. I said so, and, within the limits of my ability (for obvious reasons), provided my evidence.

If you want to keep talking about how you don't trust tech companies, that's fine by me. We don't have a live argument on that issue; I'm not interested in it.

Re:Lawrence Lessig Interviews Edward Snowden [video] by xnull2guest on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:11PM (#8516728)
Well, we know quite well that if a person were to be only interested in the letter of the law - never the spirit, its interpretation, how it is practices, or how it interacts with other laws - and not interested in any channel of information that isn't blessed by a government representative, that there would be a reductionist bias that misses the broader strokes important to understanding current policy.

For those reading it should be clear that the US 'voluntells' US corporations to provide access to information and keys and to build in key escrow mechanisms through regulatory and financial leverage, through partnerships, contracts and kickbacks, legal pressure, and otherwise.

Tap and trace laws force telecommunications companies to subvert over-the-wire encryption - they can not subvert end-to-end encryption because they do not provide it. However Bush era interpretations of tap-and-trace and pen register laws expanded analog and phone communications to digital media. Skype, for example was fully and willingully subverted (Snowden docs, again) - the end-to-end crypto removed from the original versions of the product.

If one enters into these conversations only wanting to examine single sentences of law and not the legal process/architecture, one fundamentally introduce a bias. That's okay (freedom of speech). But readers beware that they aren't going to be able to get a full story from legal reductionism.

Re:Lawrence Lessig Interviews Edward Snowden [video] by Zigurd on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:26PM (#8516820)
> If you want to keep talking about how you don't trust tech companies...

Do you trust all of them? I doubt it. Of course some companies are more trustworthy than others.

My point is that in a time when trust is in crisis, NONE of the major tech companies is providing users with strong tools for privacy that can't be circumvented for law enforcement or spying.

Re:Lawrence Lessig Interviews Edward Snowden [video] by tptacek on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:33PM (#8516867)
Yeah, this is one of the reasons it's not an interesting discussion for me: it's practically a valance issue. Everyone has a tech company they don't trust.