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Re:More Cities Are Making It Illegal to Hand Out Food to the... by DenisM on Thursday October 23, 2014 @02:24PM (#8499815)
>My big problem with forcing homeless into these safe areas by making things outside them illegal, is that you end up with "out of sight, out of mind".

It's a legitimate concern, and an obvious downside. However, things like this should be considered in their aggregate effect - there are pros and cons to both approaches, and the one that should win is not the one that sounds good, but the one that makes the most good experimentally.

Your opponent pdeuchler appears to have substantial first-hand experience with what works and what doesn't, while your retort seems a lot more theoretical. I think both of you should elucidate not just the strength of your convictions, but also basis in facts. That's how we will make progress.

Re:More Cities Are Making It Illegal to Hand Out Food to the... by pdeuchler on Thursday October 23, 2014 @02:34PM (#8499881)
Nowhere near substantial, I just had good role models growing up :)

edit: didn't mean to imply I don't have first hand experience, I do, but I was also mentored by people who were/are passionate about and extremely involved with this problem. My understanding of the underlying issues comes from both sources

Re:More Cities Are Making It Illegal to Hand Out Food to the... by DenisM on Thursday October 23, 2014 @02:47PM (#8499956)
That's how we get in trouble - by rehashing other people's experience. Everyone has his own unique way to rehash, and the further we are all removed from the facts the further we diverge from each other, driven apart by our own biases.

On a relate note - I found that most startup advice is useless, because people who are giving that advise try to summarize their experience (at best) or someone else's experience (at worst), and they inevitably leave out important caveats. Add in some narrative fallacy and it gets completely ruined. If you listen long enough you will find equally convincing, but completely opposing startup advice on any subject. For that reason I only ever listen to first-hand accounts of what happened, not to any "life lessons", "lessons learned", "10 things that every startup should do" etc.