Neither a gun nut or gun grabber, but do you have a cite for that?

You're going to be hard pressed to get a real citation for the safety thing. The issue is just so complex you can't have a 1 to 1 relationship between concealed carry and crime rates. Some states release CCP numbers though and they're plenty of people doing it.

Any documented instance of concealed carry preventing a crime? Strictly using my imagination, I see far more opportunity for escalation of and accidental violence than for prevention.

Going all the way back to yesterday....

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/harrisburg_politics/Two-l...

> Confronted by a gunman just blocks from the state Capitol on Tuesday night, a Democratic legislator from Northeastern Pennsylvania pulled his own weapon and traded fire with a would-be robber.

Remaining question is to look up the legislator own voting record on the issue of gun control.

What would anecdotal examples reveal? Seems more likely to confuse the question.

There are plenty. People aren't evil by default. Give them more credit.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/125342-armed-man-gathers-peo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqkqzsIjujI

http://bearingarms.com/concealed-carry-permit-holder-stops-s...

@ the last link:

I don't think that would fit into the case of "preventing a crime", the guy shot 3 people then started leaving, before he got shot

That makes the proposition largely unfalsifiable. That is---and this is a very minimal report---we can't know if someone who momentarily stopped shooting would continue.

However, continuing to extrapolate from this report, neither police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner) nor civilians are allowed to use lethal force on someone who's ceased threatening and is simply fleeing. If a case cannot be made that the threat was still there, guy who shot him should have been charged.

Safer only because the criminals also have guns. But not actually safer at all. I'd rather the UK where people don't carry. Much safer there. Just look at the number of gun deaths in the UK vs the US.

SO what replaces "gun deaths" in the UK? Bullying, physical violence? To call it 'safer' you'd have to talk about actual public safety, not just cherry-pick one stat.

Yes, a stat like people being shot and dying. 8.8k firearm related homicides in 2012. Plus 20k firearm-related suicides in 2010, the last year I can conveniently find numbers.

Your post may seriously be the stupidest thing I've ever read in my life.

There were 70,000+ cases of violent crime in the UK in 2014. Which of those replace the so-called gun crimes? Without knowing that, you've got nothing to compare to.