If you're shipping serious code you should be vendoring your dependencies.
So, uh, why is the go-supported option encouraging me to download it from github at compile time without so much as crude versioning support?
Lots of people run internal Maven repos, they have every dependency vendored, but they also want the ability to choose between versions of that dependency.
Re:Brad Fitzpatrick on the future of Go
by munificent on Tuesday October 14, 2014 @02:22PM
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Why?
Because you want to have control over all software you're shipping to production.
Re:Brad Fitzpatrick on the future of Go
by munificent on Tuesday October 14, 2014 @08:10PM
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Sure, but manual vendoring is just one (tedious, error-prone) means to that end. Any sane package manager with something akin to lockfiles gives you the same guarantee without all of the headaches of vendoring (and unvendoring when no longer needed!) all of your transitive dependencies.
It's not tedious or error prone. Just use the tool.s
Re:Brad Fitzpatrick on the future of Go
by simoncion on Tuesday October 14, 2014 @03:54PM
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If "vendoring" precludes one from using a dependency installed on the system, then this practice is static linking all over again. Static linking has its place, but dynamic linking with sane versioning solves many problems.
Re:Brad Fitzpatrick on the future of Go
by sagichmal on Tuesday October 14, 2014 @04:39PM
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In the era of containerized application platforms and immutable infrastructure, static linking is the path forward.
People like Go because you have a single executable to drop on a box, no worrying about what version of what libraries are installed. Though, the Go team realizes there is a need for dynamic linked libraries, so they at least have a proposal for it[0].
[0] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nr-TQHw_er6GOQRsF6T43GGh...
I've been following that proposal, and I'm a bit surprised that it isn't mentioned on the roadmap. Looks like dynamic linked libraries will come sometime in 2.x land?
One of the other talks made reference to it[0].
[0] http://dotgo.sourcegraph.com/post/99652344343/go-team-q-a-de...
Re:Brad Fitzpatrick on the future of Go
by dangerlibrary on Tuesday October 14, 2014 @04:18PM
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I'm pretty sure all Go binaries are statically linked.
Re:Brad Fitzpatrick on the future of Go
by munificent on Tuesday October 14, 2014 @08:12PM
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Sure, but that's orthogonal to what's being discussed here. You don't check your compiled binary into source control, but proponents of vendoring do check their (transitive) dependencies in.
But they said there are plans for dynamic linking
Re:Brad Fitzpatrick on the future of Go
by nulltype on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @12:09AM
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What problems does dynamic linking with sane versioning solve?
Yeah, this seems crazy to me. Also, honestly, while stable APIs can be nice, I would rather have people have the option to change the API in later versions, if it makes things better. But I want to be able to consciously decide to upgrade when I'm ready.
Are you kidding me??? So if some invariant behavior on an otherwise stable API changes, I don't know until runtime that a bunch of the code that I shipped, haven't changed, and then recompiled a month later has changed it's behavior?