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Re:Alfred Anaya Put Secret Compartments in Cars. The DEA Put... by x0x0 on Saturday October 11, 2014 @11:14PM (#8444199)
I generally come down strongly on the side civil liberties, but they don't become involved in this case. Anaya knew exactly what his clients where using the compartments for; even asking them not to tell him makes that clear. That's the equivalent of clamping your hands over your ears and singing "lalala". He knew. He kept building them anyway, using them to subsidize his other business. Conscious avoidance does not protect you from the law.

When confronted with the knowledge -- $800k IN CASH -- he then charged more than his normal amount to fix it. Again, don't be bloody daft. That's a decent middle-class net worth, in cash, concealed in a car. Unless someone's a billionaire, there's no reason to have that type of walking money besides illicit drug sales.

Any reasonable person would know what was going on, and in fact, Anaya did. That's why he's in jail.

As for your, well, stupid friend example -- you need to do more than just know. You need to actively aid. Which Anaya did! If you have a friend with a low-paying job and far too much money, I'd advise you to avoid holding "packages" for him, or installing concealed compartments for him, or straw-purchasing weapons for him. Again, don't be deliberately obtuse.

edit: One more point. Anaya's calculated ignorance is like Goodell and the videotape. The only way goodell didn't see that videotape is he didn't want to, and the only way Anaya wasn't confronted with exactly what his customers where doing was he actively avoided it. Also -- as mentioned elsewhere -- the compartments were insulated for odor? Come up with a legit use for that.

Re:Alfred Anaya Put Secret Compartments in Cars. The DEA Put... by krschultz on Saturday October 11, 2014 @11:20PM (#8444222)
I sold a boat once to a guy for $3k. He paid me in cash. Small bills. Is it my business where he got that money from? I counted the money and moved on. He ran a pizza shop or something, I'm not an idiot, I'm pretty sure he was skimming money off somewhere to avoid paying all of his taxes. Am I now responsible for that? Is it my job to call the IRS and say 'hey, this guy just showed up my house with a suitcase full of 5s, 10s, 20s, and bought a boat from me, which no sane person would do unless they were pocketing cash to avoid paying taxes'. I don't think it is.
Re:Alfred Anaya Put Secret Compartments in Cars. The DEA Put... by smtddr on Saturday October 11, 2014 @11:27PM (#8444244)
>>I sold a boat once to a guy for $3k.

___once___, you did it once. Also, $3k < $800k+ cash from some shady folks. Also a boat is way more innocent than secret storage in cars requiring a digital incantation to open.

I agree that the punishment is unreasonably harsh. I would have given him a week in jail & 2 months community service as a wakeup call because he seems like a good man who wouldn't do it again. I'd also make it clear to him that a harsher judge could have put him away for years but I was giving him a break because I trusted him. But let's be real here: There's no way whatsoever Anaya didn't know what was up.

Re:Alfred Anaya Put Secret Compartments in Cars. The DEA Put... by x0x0 on Saturday October 11, 2014 @11:25PM (#8444236)
$3k -- close to the amount of cash a middle class family might keep as cash savings in a house. $800k.

A single act vs 15+ a year.

Don't be daft.

Re:Alfred Anaya Put Secret Compartments in Cars. The DEA Put... by refurb on Saturday October 11, 2014 @11:42PM (#8444280)
I guess my opinion is that if someone is making hidden compartments to transport illegal drugs, I don't care, even if they knew that what they were being used for.

Even if I did support making certain drugs illegal, unless they are directly dealing in drugs, I don't consider their actions a crime.

If the cops want to get drugs off the streets, then they should stick to going after the people who actually handle the drugs. That won't happen, of course, because they are losing the War on Drugs. They need to stack things more in their favor.

And who in the end loses? Everyone, as our rights are eroded day in and day out.

Re:Alfred Anaya Put Secret Compartments in Cars. The DEA Put... by x0x0 on Sunday October 12, 2014 @12:20AM (#8444367)
Unfortunately for you and Anaya, the courts -- and America in general -- do count that as a crime. Aiding criminals has long been a crime and will continue to be a crime. In the same way getaway drivers, launderers, and trafficking in stolen goods are criminalized, so too are building tools for criminals, with features only needed by criminals (odor control to avoid drug-sniffing dogs), mostly or exclusively used by criminals, with explicit knowledge they're being used by criminals. (What on earth would Anaya have counted as knowing his clients where selling drugs? From this article and the court documents, nothing short of his clients running up to him and shouting, "Hey everybody! I'm transporting drugs!")

Pretending that criminalizing helping to commit crimes erodes civil liberties is somewhere between silly and stupid. Particularly to anyone sympathetic (as I am) to arguments that we should legalize most drugs and redirect those moneys to harm abatement.

Re:Alfred Anaya Put Secret Compartments in Cars. The DEA Put... by Frozenlock on Sunday October 12, 2014 @05:33AM (#8444856)
> Aiding criminals has long been a crime and will continue to be a crime.

Not exactly. And saying what will be is a little presumptuous.

Here's what you can find in the wikipedia entry about criminal conspiracy in Common Law:

"There was an additional problem that it could be a criminal conspiracy at common law to engage in conduct which was not in itself a criminal offence (...) Henceforward it would only be an offence to agree to engage in a course of conduct which was itself a criminal offence."

Or, in other words, it would only be an offence if making the tools that helped the criminals was a criminal act in itself.

As an (extreme) example of the problem of criminal conspiracy: you could end up in prison for giving/selling food to someone you know will commit a crime.

With this in mind, it's not really surprising to see people baffled by the possibility of being put in jail for doing something that is, in itself, legal.

Now, it might be illegal under the current US laws, but that's what's surprising. Most people expect to NOT be sent in prison for obeying the laws.

> Pretending that criminalizing helping to commit crimes erodes civil liberties is somewhere between silly and stupid.

Eh no, it's really not. It's pretty much the definition. By criminalizing an action, your are reducing the civil liberties.