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Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @08:09AM (#8420661)
Coal plants, which would likely replace the nuke plants that don't get built, will output way more radiation then the waste you don't want to worry about.
Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by eli on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @09:06AM (#8420856)
Though the worst case scenario for a nuclear plant is considerably worse. I think comparisons to coal are unfair. Coal is terrible. Everything looks good compared to it.
Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by spacefight on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @08:25AM (#8420710)
I oppose coal plants as well. It's not only the waste I care, it's also that I care quite a lot that we, human mankind haven't been able to come up with a better solution yet to nuclear power. I also care, that our next generations have to deal with the waste. Have you seen the issues with the experimental storage waste sites in Germany?
Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by ZoFreX on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @08:57AM (#8420825)
So what should we build then, given that no alternatives are currently viable?
Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by insky on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @10:26AM (#8421303)
Perhaps we should build better software that helps to reduce power in electrical devices?

A decade back I remember every office in a building I worked in (in the UK), leaving their machines on pretty much 24hrs. The building manager suggested the idea of cutting electric between certain hours, and people protested.

Phone chargers, desktops, monitors were all on. Probably for 16 hours of each day when no one was there. Even when people were there the machines were barely busy.

Computers could have been suspended to ram or turned off. I still see this even in offices with modern PCs that can boot quickly and suspsend to ram with ease (used to be touch and go).

Could spare CPU cycles be farmed out?

I'm glad to see better power saving settings in newer CPUS, and operating systems. But this needs to be better. Some mobiles can hold a charge for a week even with voice calls. Other smartphones are getting charged daily, some with negligable use. Charging batteries takes more power than you get back out.

Lots of small energy efficiencies could really help. Stuff like giving screen savers the boot, having sensible power defaults in OSs etc.

Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by brc on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @11:33PM (#8425204)
Really, that stuff is small potatoes. Look outside at night time and see how much power goes into lighting. Then heating/cooling, large scale manufacture.

It was fashionable a few years back to turn off your devices 'at the wall' so stop so-called 'vampire use' - which was TVs and other equipment on stand by. It sounded plausible - but in reality is just noise in the overall consumption picture, and is just window dressing to make people feel like they are doing something.

I'll agree that idling PCs and monitors should go into sleep mode like laptops do, but that stuff is not going to make the slightest dent in consumption anyway. Compare the power consumption of an electronic device with something like an iron or a stove or a clothes dryer and you'll see why. And that's before you start looking at heavy industry and large-scale building temperature control.

Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by insky on Wednesday October 08, 2014 @04:52AM (#8425929)
Large wattage items aren't on for that long in my experience. We could get our electric use right down and probably run it on solar during the summer months, save for the fridge/freezer, fan in the bathroom, the kettle and hair dryer.

Even with our paltry electric use we are still getting high bills (UK)! Expense is the biggest incentive for us to get our electric use down.

If server farms have become a bigger polluter than the aviation industry, I see that as a challenge. Use the hardware as efficiently as possible. Caching layers could hugely reduce CPU use. Perhaps we could measure an app's power consumption aswell as bandwidth use?

Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by spacefight on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @09:32AM (#8420967)
Germany is at 30% renewable energy. The US at ~13.
Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by brc on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @10:18AM (#8421247)
That is nameplate capacity, not actual generation. Big difference.
Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by spacefight on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @10:48AM (#8421460)
Either my calculation is wrong, or...

Check the report from Fraunhofer, i.e. slide 85. http://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/downloads-englisch/pdf-files...

Produced in August 2014:

Renewable: 12.8 TWh

Rest: 25.8 TWh

Total: 38.6 TWh

% produced renewable: 33% I left the pumped storage in "Rest" as I have no idea what engery was used to pump.

Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by losvedir on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @09:59AM (#8421107)
How about this then: take all the immense acreage of land we'd need to use for wind/solar, put a nuclear power plant and storage facility in the middle of it, and then turn all the earmarked land into a no-trespassing national park.

We'll produce just as much energy, we'll be efficient about it, and we'll have a ton of wildlife and preserved habitat.

Because to actually power the country with renewable resources will require a TON of space.

Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by reirob on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @08:30AM (#8420727)
I am interested in references to these claims.
Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by NickPollard on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @09:09AM (#8420868)
Here's one from Scientific American:

In fact, the fly ash emitted by a power plant—a by-product from burning coal for electricity—carries into the surrounding environment 100 times more radiation than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of energy.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-r...

Re:New cracks in Hunterston reactor by mnw21cam on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @09:16AM (#8420894)
A good place to find this sort of info is "Sustainable Energy Without The Hot Air", http://www.withouthotair.com/

Page 168 mentions the fact that coal ash contains uranium, and that people living near coal power stations are exposed to more radiation than those living near nuclear power stations.