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Re:Reddit by Gracana on Tuesday September 30, 2014 @06:28PM (#8391755)
I hate it when people give this definition of feminism. Feminism supports gender equality and there are ways that benefits everyone, but that's obviously not the whole of it, and I dislike the idea that men can only be sold on feminism if they think there's something in it for them.
Re:Reddit by peteretep on Wednesday October 01, 2014 @01:07AM (#8392928)

    > Feminism supports gender equality
There are enough highly vocal people calling themselves feminists who seem more interested in manufacturing outrage, scolding men, and pursuing self-promotional agendas that it's hard to make any generalisations that will ring true about what feminism is and isn't.

    > I dislike the idea that men can only be sold on feminism
    > if they think there's something in it for them
Try convincing a nerdy, overweight white male high-school student who's never kissed a girl that he occupies a position of privilege compared to the popular girls at school.

You'll do better if you wait ten years, and then try to explain to the software engineer he became that he has relative privilege compared to the sophisticated VP of Sales who dresses to kill, or girls he meets in bars, but still, you're going to have a bit of a struggle.

You and I can reel off 50 ways in which he's privileged, and the inherent advantages he has by being white, male, smart, etc, but what he knows is that he has a daily grind, and that he has a lot of relationships in his life with women where they hold /all/ the cards.

While people continue to be blind to their own privilege, and only see the highlight reels of other people's privilege (eg: forever), you're only going to be able to sell it on gender equality, rather than "women's rights need to increase beyond where they are now".

Re:Reddit by Goladus on Wednesday October 01, 2014 @01:35PM (#8396228)
I dislike the idea that men can only be sold on feminism if they think there's something in it for them.

Dislike it all you want, doesn't change the reality that if you have one self-interested faction whose interests appear to conflict with a different self-interested faction, then the interests will need to be "sold" or else forced on the other faction.

Hence: appeals to shared principles like "equality." Even when the positions are demonstrably not about equality at all.

Re:Reddit by sliverstorm on Wednesday October 01, 2014 @03:16AM (#8393196)
The point is only that "gender equality" is a belief while "feminism" (usually) means the activist movement. Why is that objectionable? What does it have to do with "selling men on feminism"?