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Re:Meeting strangers in the street by praptak on Friday September 26, 2014 @12:27PM (#8373408)
I disagree about DF. I just grabbed a tutorial and started playing. The real curve starts later in the game when the crappy UI is no longer enough to drive 80+ dwarves.
Re:Meeting strangers in the street by TeMPOraL on Friday September 26, 2014 @12:44PM (#8373488)
I think I'll take another shot at it. First time around, I got lost in the complexity and gave up after a day spent on exploring available actions and values to track.
Re:Meeting strangers in the street by praptak on Friday September 26, 2014 @02:59PM (#8374266)
Yeah, I can imagine how playing DF by exploring the actions might suck. There are lots of them and most don't make sense, especially in the beginning of the game.

The value of the tutorials is that they show the smallest working set of actions and how they interact.

Re:Meeting strangers in the street by TeMPOraL on Friday September 26, 2014 @03:11PM (#8374320)
It's me always trying to learn everything with minimum amount of tutorials required. Orbiter and KSP have beaten me in the same way - I had to read up a bit before being able have any kind of a meaningful gameplay.