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Re:What Coke Contains (2013) by function_seven on Friday September 19, 2014 @07:46PM (#8343088)
If you're referring to carbonic acid, it's too weak to cause tooth decay (at least, according to my reading of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_erosion).

But, in addition to phosphoric acid, Coke also has citric acid. I'm not sure you could remove both and get a drink that's still tasty enough...

EDIT: See below. Carbonic acid may not be as meek as I thought.

Re:What Coke Contains (2013) by magicalist on Friday September 19, 2014 @08:07PM (#8343147)
Yeah, that's definitely wrong. It looks like it's been an unsourced fact in there since the beginning of 2008.

Enamel erosion due to acid is tied to the acidity of the mouth, which, if the pH drops low enough, starts the demineralization of teeth (note, however, that this is a dynamic process, with systems in place to remineralize teeth, and that this dance happens every time we eat or drink something).

Typically carbonated water alone will be well under a pH of 4, which is itself well below the "5.0–5.7...known to trigger dental erosion effects" in the actually cited fact in that article.

Re:What Coke Contains (2013) by function_seven on Friday September 19, 2014 @08:24PM (#8343198)
You're right. Looks like Wikipedia disagrees with itself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonated_water#Chemistry_and_....
Re:What Coke Contains (2013) by doughj3 on Friday September 19, 2014 @08:53PM (#8343276)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11556958

"Dissolution levels with all of the mineral waters were very low and for several still waters were undetectable. Sparkling mineral waters showed slightly greater dissolution than still waters, but levels remained low and were of the order of one hundred times less than the comparator soft drinks. De-gassing of a sparkling mineral water reduced its dissolution, but the total levels were still relatively low suggesting that carbonation of drinks may not be an important factor per se in respect of erosive potential."

Re:What Coke Contains (2013) by magicalist on Friday September 19, 2014 @10:09PM (#8343444)
I can't access that article, unfortunately, but it's odd that they would suggest that when the next three sentences are about how the mineral content of mineral water can help protect against dissolution:

"The complex and heterogeneous mineral compositions of mineral waters could influence the dissolution equilibrium of apatite in enamel and controlled addition of several ions to ultrapure deionized water was investigated. Calcium ions led to the greatest reduction in hydroxyapatite dissolution, but their effects were moderated by other ions including magnesium and sulphate. Thus, mineral waters appear to offer a safe alternative to more erosive acidic beverages and their complex mineral ion compositions may positively influence any dissolution processes at the tooth surface."

This effect can be surprisingly strong, e.g. here's a study from a few years later showing "that fortifying apple, orange and grapefruit juices with calcium prevented enamel erosion and decreased root surface erosion (P < .01)."[1]

In fact buffering is well known to protect calcium phosphate in teeth from dissolution (e.g. an older study here[2] which points to the saturation of the same calcium and phosphate ions that the study you cite does as the source of protection), so it's actually quite odd that they would suggest that minimal dissolution from sparkling mineral water would suggest that the carbonation may not be an important factor of erosive potential.

It's hard to judge too much from just an abstract, however, and I can't find a full copy anywhere. That suggestion may just be an off-hand one.

[1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18056104

[2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9831784

Re:What Coke Contains (2013) by NickNameNick on Friday September 19, 2014 @08:28PM (#8343212)
I don't think pH works the way you think it does.

Neutral pH is 7, things with a lower pH are more acidic Things with a higher pH are basic. So Carbonated water, with it pH of ~4 is a much stronger acid than something with a pH of 5

Re:What Coke Contains (2013) by magicalist on Friday September 19, 2014 @09:20PM (#8343355)
ah, I can see how you could read my last statement like that, but we're actually in agreement.

Carbonated water's acidity puts it at a lower pH than the acidity needed to start demineralization, so carbonic acid can cause enamel erosion.

Re:What Coke Contains (2013) by lobster_johnson on Friday September 19, 2014 @09:57PM (#8343424)
Coke only contains phosphoric acid, not citric acid. However, in some countries, Coke is indeed made with citric acid instead of phosphoric.

Coke changes ingredients around to fit local regulations. In Europe, Diet Coke uses acesulfame potassium ("ace-K"), aspartame and sodium cyclamate. Cyclamate's effect is to neutralize some of the bitterness of ace-K and aspartame, but it's banned in the US and some other countries in the 1950s due to research determining it to be harmful. The ban is being upheld despite later research showing that the original science was flawed.

Re:What Coke Contains (2013) by function_seven on Friday September 19, 2014 @10:51PM (#8343525)
Actually, the Diet Coke I have in front of me lists both acids in the ingredients. Not sure if only the diet version has both.
Re:What Coke Contains (2013) by lobster_johnson on Friday September 19, 2014 @10:59PM (#8343541)
Well, I did say Coke, not Diet Coke. Diet Coke contains citric acid (but less than phosphoric), Coke does not.

(Downvotes, really?)