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Re:I was asked to crack a program in a job interview by vinceguidry on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @10:50PM (#8333423)
> I confess I don't know how I'd apply this to developers. They pass fizzbuzz, OK - what do you do next?

I know what I would do, just have a 10 minute conversation with them about technology. I can easily figure out just where a person is in regards to their development as a programmer just by listening to them talk about what they're paying attention to in the tech landscape. If they don't blink when I mention Hacker News, I know they're on the right track. Do they know what Go is, or Haskell? Do they have an opinion about Node.js?

These criteria are intended to gauge motivation and enthusiasm in the absence of an impressive track record. If they're capable but not highly motivated, then that's fine so long as you're only hiring them to do stuff inside their comfort zone. We have a Microsoft guy just like that. If they're motivated but not capable, then with coaching they'll be able to do anything. The best way to discover someone's motivation is to get a gander at what they're thinking about when they aren't working.

If you're looking for someone who is motivated and capable, you can eventually find someone like that, but you'll have a hell of a time keeping them. Developers have so many options these days that you need to have at least 3 of: competitive salary, decent perks, fun work environment, a glamorous field; in order to hold on to them for longer than a year.

Most companies are lucky to manage one, if they're very lucky two. Since salary is often the easiest thing to manipulate and honestly the most important to the employee, err on the side of paying too much. It's expensive but not having competent developers is far more expensive.

Re:I was asked to crack a program in a job interview by davidgerard on Thursday September 18, 2014 @02:52AM (#8334040)
Not infallible - I could talk tech near-perfectly (I am a native speaker of BS), but I am most definitely not a coder pretty much at all - but a good start.
Re:I was asked to crack a program in a job interview by clarry on Thursday September 18, 2014 @08:25AM (#8334809)
Also, using HN and its fads as a measure of motivation sounds a little elitist. There are really awesome and motivated coders out there who couldn't care less about politics, mainstream tech media news articles, gadgets, Apple-does-this, Google-does-that, cool new language or JS toy of the week... these coders are likely focused on their code instead.

Programming is a wide field, there's much more to it than the front page discussions on HN can cover.

Of course, if you're looking for a Web developer to make "cool new stuff" for the latest fadgets..

Re:I was asked to crack a program in a job interview by vinceguidry on Thursday September 18, 2014 @10:35AM (#8335391)
You make light of web development, but that's driving the enormous demand for programmers in recent years and all of our salaries. I bumped my pay $20K when I took this job and I'm now asking for $30K more after a year. Most fields calcify after a few years and salaries level off as the managers do their thing. But making "cool new stuff" and the "latest fadgets" is still really hard. It might be the fashion industry, but business is booming.