Re:Show HN: Exploring the US Budget, 1962-2019
by anonymoushn on Sunday September 14, 2014 @03:10PM
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How does the national debt increase from $5,656,270,901,633.43 to $5,674,178,209,886.86 during a year with a $200,000,000,000 surplus?
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Re:Show HN: Exploring the US Budget, 1962-2019
by dripton on Sunday September 14, 2014 @03:25PM
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It wasn't a real on-budget surplus. It was only a surplus if you took the revenue from Social Security tax and ignored the obligation to later pay Social Security with it.
Re:Show HN: Exploring the US Budget, 1962-2019
by nni on Sunday September 14, 2014 @03:33PM
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Hey dripton - curious what your thoughts are on this: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-unde...
I think that this gets into what the deal might have been with respect to whether you count the social security tax or not. I think that they conclude there is a "surplus" either way, although it is of course smaller. However, you might be referring to something else.
Re:Show HN: Exploring the US Budget, 1962-2019
by AnthonyMouse on Sunday September 14, 2014 @09:52PM
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That seems to be saying that accounting for social security would eliminate ~99% of the surplus. But what about medicare and the like?
Re:Show HN: Exploring the US Budget, 1962-2019
by judk on Sunday September 14, 2014 @11:05PM
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SS benefits are paid from current taxes. There is no Social Security Lock Box, its was a metaphor.
Re:Show HN: Exploring the US Budget, 1962-2019
by nni on Sunday September 14, 2014 @03:17PM
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I assume you are referring to 2000. I am very much a newbie in this stuff, but think that the "story" from the OMB outlays/receipts data (which is what this is based on) is only part of the story. For example, I read somewhere that some were arguing that this "surplus" in that period was not a good thing in some respects. There's a lot to learn.