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Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by idlewords on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:38PM (#8306360)
Some of us are outraged by where the U.S. is going but stay to try to fix it. Otherwise you get adverse selection effects, like when all the non-crazies left New Hampshire.

Plus have you ever had a European burrito? It's not pretty.

Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by rsync on Thursday September 11, 2014 @11:39PM (#8306489)
Well, at least there is finally passable sushi being made in Zurich. That's a very, very new thing.

All kidding aside - the euro countries are no better than the US in these areas. They have different code-names and the agencies are different, but they're all going the same direction.

Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by comrade1 on Thursday September 11, 2014 @11:50PM (#8306516)
You're just plain wrong. Not about the sushi. Europe doesn't have the means nor the corporate-government cooperation that the u.s. has for spying. It happens in Europe, even Switzerland, but for good, not evil. For example, Switzerland reoprting to the Red Cross the CIA rendition flights that it learned through its satellite communications monitoring program.

There's decent Mexican inn Basel. A Mexican and 1/2 Mexican Swiss have a restaurant.

Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by idlewords on Friday September 12, 2014 @12:01AM (#8306543)
Europe's a big place. My corner of it had a secret CIA prison.

Also there's a Vietnamese restaurant here called "Hong Kong Lounge". The crimes don't end at the US border.

Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by comrade1 on Friday September 12, 2014 @12:08AM (#8306556)
Poland? Wasn't there political fallout from that?
Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by idlewords on Friday September 12, 2014 @02:15AM (#8306795)
About as much as in the US.
Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by jwr on Friday September 12, 2014 @04:00AM (#8306993)
By which he means, not nearly anything close to what could even remotely be considered enough.

We in the EU like to smugly look at the USA with an air of superiority. But we're not much different — there is a small group that is outraged, and most people simply don't care.

Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by abroncs on Friday September 12, 2014 @02:04AM (#8306770)
Also Romania.
Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by comrade1 on Thursday September 11, 2014 @11:54PM (#8306531)
Btw, yes I know that it was reported to the Red Cross anonymously, not officially.
Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by zo1 on Friday September 12, 2014 @05:11PM (#8310495)
"Some of us are outraged by where the U.S. is going but stay to try to fix it"

Do you truly believe you'll be able to change anything? Remember, people that reason about these sorts of things are the exception, not the rule. The majority just gobble up whatever "militaristic propaganda" (as one of the siblings called it) is fed to them by the media.

Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by hugogee on Friday September 12, 2014 @02:31AM (#8306832)
I make the best MoFro burritos and tacos. I'll come and cook for everyone! I think the tequila is worse than the burritos though. o,0
Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by comrade1 on Thursday September 11, 2014 @11:51PM (#8306522)
What are you doing to change the system?
Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by idlewords on Friday September 12, 2014 @12:02AM (#8306544)
I got a bumper sticker!
Re:Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complyi... by happyscrappy on Friday September 12, 2014 @10:53AM (#8308309)
> like when all the non-crazies left New Hampshire

Huh?