Re:Why Being Outside Silicon Valley is Good for Startups
by dean on Friday November 23, 2007 @04:42PM
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My impression is that what you say about firing someone is true for employees of the government or very large companies. But not really for medium or small companies. And certainly not for startups. And I suspect the U.S. government has similar policies and legislation in place for federal government workers.
Re:Why Being Outside Silicon Valley is Good for Startups
by suziedw on Friday November 23, 2007 @06:32PM
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Provincial employment standards legislation, human rights codes and case law make what I am saying actual law, not just impressions, True for all employers, including startups.
Re:Why Being Outside Silicon Valley is Good for Startups
by dean on Friday November 23, 2007 @10:48PM
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You give the impression that it's impossible to fire someone in Canada. It's not. Even if someone is actually fired because they are alcoholic or older or pregnant, it's very hard to prove, whether it's against the law or not.
Re:Why Being Outside Silicon Valley is Good for Startups
by run4yourlives on Saturday November 24, 2007 @04:04PM
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Suzie is basically correct. The only way you can truly "fire" someone in Canada is by demonstrating "just cause". (eg. they steal from you, continual - documented - bad performance etc. etc)
Now, it is always possible to render the relationship with the employee null and void by just stating that their services are no longer required and paying them the appropriate severance money. As an employer, you're also required to give two week's notice, but most give pay in lieu. Severance basically works out to 1 week's pay per year of service on top of that.
Most employers will give a little extra to stay out of legal tussles.
Re:Why Being Outside Silicon Valley is Good for Startups
by suziedw on Saturday November 24, 2007 @07:22AM
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That's not what I said. If you fire someone, you need to pay severance. Severance is set by statute and case law, and is more - sometimes significantly more - than American employers are used to. If any of the other conditions or circumstnaces are also part of the situation, you could be paying damages, too.
Re:Why Being Outside Silicon Valley is Good for Startups
by joshwa on Friday November 23, 2007 @03:45PM
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Boy, that sure sounds nice! Wish I could have applied some of those laws to my last employer...
Re:Why Being Outside Silicon Valley is Good for Startups
by davidw on Saturday November 24, 2007 @03:27AM
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It's really a double edged sword with some unintended consequences. Italy has similar (probably stronger) laws. One of the results is that most employers are very, very wary of hiring women of childbearing age.
Onto the stickiness issue - you're generally right - there is great R&D talent in Ottawa, for example, but very few superstar tech companies at the moment. If you are like most R&D talent and attracted by the quality of work, you're pretty sticky.
A related point - thanks to the limited number ofwork Visas to the US, we've become a naturally sticky country for near-shoring talent from India, etc that cannot get a permit to work in the valley. Sticky by geography works for us, too.