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Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by aaron-lebo on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @03:41PM (#8292285)
There was book in my school library about the Franklin expedition. There was something haunting and fascinating about the old drawings/paintings of one of the ships locked in the ice, pictures of the incredibly well-preserved sailors, and the failed trek across the ice which ended in cannibalism. It is probably a relatively unknown story (at least in the US - this article suggests that resonates with Canadians), but there's something that draws you to it. Actually, the polar expeditions produced a lot of incredible stories. You've got Shackleton's legendary return to civilization, and what I think is one of the more heroic and tragic pieces of writing, Robert Falcon Scott's Message to the Public:

"We took risks, we knew we took them; things have come out against us, and therefore we have no cause for complaint, but bow to the will of Providence, determined still to do our best to the last.

...

Had we lived, I should have had a tale to tell of the hardihood, endurance, and courage of my companions which would have stirred the heart of every Englishman. These rough notes and our dead bodies must tell the tale, but surely, surely, a great rich country like ours will see that those who are dependent on us are properly provided for."

It's rather strange that such a desolate environment could produce such interesting stories.

Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by trusche on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @04:00PM (#8292521)
> Men wanted for hazardous journey. Low wages, bitter cold, long hours of complete darkness. Safe return doubtful. Honour and recognition in event of success.

http://discerninghistory.com/2013/05/shackletons-ad-men-want...

Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by trhway on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @05:22PM (#8293265)
can't wait for the same ad for the trip to Europe. Though i hope at least low wages and bitter cold willn't be part of the package this time. Bitter cold replaced by high radiation though.
Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by graeme on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @12:04AM (#8294858)
This excellent Canadian history comic may shed some light on things:

http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=24

Though I expect few Canadians know about the Franklin exhibition.

Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by eru on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @04:47PM (#8292971)
Funny enough, Amundsen who prepared much better and actually succeeded doesn't get nearly the same amount of press that the Scott does. It seems true heroes fail.
Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by toyg on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @06:43PM (#8293794)
> Amundsen [...] doesn't get nearly the same amount of press that the Scott does

... in the English-speaking world, maybe. My father knows all about Amundsen and very little about Scott, because in (fascist) Italy, English activities were played down.

Anyway, it's hardly surprising that the English-speaking world would elevate their own failed champions above other countries' more successful ones, at a time when extreme nationalism was widespread.

Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by pessimizer on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @07:36AM (#8296047)
I think it's because he was hated at the time for taking his investors' money and going to the South Pole rather than the North (basically Kickstarter rage), especially when he knew about the British expedition, then announcing it by sending the British expedition a sniggering telegram. Another reason, is that Scott and his four died carrying his joke letter back (the both one rubbing in and proving that Amundsen arrived first.) Lastly, I'd say that it's influenced by Amundsen taking almost the exact same route as Scott had previously announced.

At the time, I think he was seen as a heel that pretty effortlessly ended up as champion. The British with their bizarre obsession with manhauling definitely saw the usage of dogs as less manly. Also: Amundsen was not photogenic. More evidence that he was a cartoon villain.

Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by blaabjerg on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @09:20AM (#8296391)
> Lastly, I'd say that it's influenced by Amundsen taking almost the exact same route as Scott had previously announced.

Did Scott end up changing his route after the announcement? Because I seem to recall they started several hundred kilometers apart.

Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by smacktoward on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @05:08PM (#8293164)
Part of this is just because people prefer a dramatic story, and "we prepared ourselves to overcome X, and then we found X and overcame it" is less dramatic than "we encountered all sorts of unexpected difficulties! and had to struggle to overcome them!"

The other part is a peculiarly English cultural tendency, particularly pronounced during the Victorian and Edwardian eras, to raise up for veneration losers who went down with style -- not just Scott, but figures like Gordon of Khartoum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_George_Gordon) as well. There was a strong strain in the culture boys were raised in during that era that stressed chivalry and a particular sense of good sportsmanship as being much more important than whether one actually wins or loses.

There's a poem from 1892 called Vitaï Lampada (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Admirals_All/Vita%C3%AF_Lampad...), written by Sir Henry Newbolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Newbolt), that is frequently pointed to as the best expression of this ethos:

   There's a breathless hush in the Close to-night --
   Ten to make and the match to win --
   A bumping pitch and a blinding light,
   An hour to play and the last man in.
   And it's not for the sake of a ribboned coat,
   Or the selfish hope of a season's fame,
   But his Captain's hand on his shoulder smote --
   'Play up! play up! and play the game!'

   The sand of the desert is sodden red, --
   Red with the wreck of a square that broke; --
   The Gatling's jammed and the Colonel dead,
   And the regiment blind with dust and smoke.
   The river of death has brimmed his banks,
   And England's far, and Honour a name,
   But the voice of a schoolboy rallies the ranks:
   'Play up! play up! and play the game!'

   This is the word that year by year,
   While in her place the School is set,
   Every one of her sons must hear,
   And none that hears it dare forget.
   This they all with a joyful mind
   Bear through life like a torch in flame,
   And falling fling to the host behind --
   'Play up! play up! and play the game!'
There is a line of historical thought that argues that this philosophy had a profoundly negative impact on British military thinking during the first half of the 20th century, with boys who grew up soaking in an emphasis on "playing the game" over winning becoming generals who presided over disasters like the horrific charnel-house offensive at the Somme in 1916 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Somme). There's a very good book (http://www.amazon.com/The-Rules-Game-Jutland-British/dp/0719...) that examines this exact question through the lens of how the Royal Navy fought the Battle of Jutland, if you're into this sort of thing.
Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by eru on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @01:37PM (#8297806)
Thanks, I will check it out. I am currently reading a book called and about Britain's War Machine, that argues that Britain had much more material (especially tanks) and advanced technology than Germany in WWII. That the Germans got so far was mostly because of superior soldiering and that the new British gadgets did not actually work all that well at the beginning of the war.
Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by krakensden on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @10:40AM (#8296736)
I've been reading "The Last Place on Earth", and the author is quite disdainful of Scott, who he views as a dilettante who never prepared properly, refused to learn from his mistakes, and who was never involved in an expedition that didn't run out of food.

The last bit is definitely true- he died after four or five days in a blizzard, ten miles from resupply. After heroics coming back from the pole with men collapsing from malnutrition.

Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by cambion on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @05:29PM (#8293306)
I think the book you're thinking about is this one: http://www.amazon.com/Buried-In-Ice-Time-Quest/dp/0590438492

I too found that in my school's library.

Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by aaron-lebo on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @05:56PM (#8293499)
That's quite the blast from the past. Thanks.
Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by johan_larson on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @09:19PM (#8294386)
What is our generation doing that is as bold as the Franklin expedition?
Re:Lost Franklin expedition ship found in the Arctic by yitchelle on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @02:47AM (#8295243)
Maybe someone like James Cameron when he ventured to the deepest part of the ocean. For me, this is the a fascinating place, with many unknown living creatures swimning about.