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Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by sbh on Friday November 23, 2007 @02:05AM (#82894)
All this crap works only because YouTube measures only the number of views of a video, and not how many people stop watching it after the first few annoying seconds.
Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by Tichy on Friday November 23, 2007 @05:21AM (#82913)
I've heard the same things about Digg, Stumbleupon, Reddit and so on (news.YC?). What I don't get: how do you get a significant number of "friends" on those networks who are willing to watch/read your spam?

My real life friends typically don't use social networks and, not being entrepreneuers themselves, they often did not get the point when I asked them to get a stumbleupon account just to rate my site. On the other hand, I could not yet muster the motivation to worm my account onto some other people's friends list just to make them rate my submissions.

How do you handle that problem? Perhaps a "entrepreneur helps entrepreneur" network for those things would be in order?

Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by brianr on Saturday November 24, 2007 @04:29AM (#83155)
how do you get a significant number of "friends" on those networks who are willing to watch/read your spam?

One method I've seen work pretty well is to hire people to actually establish semi-legitimate personas on open social networks like MySpace and Hi5. Pay high school girls $10/hr or so to make thousands of friends and you've established a base for some viral marketing.

Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by rms on Friday November 23, 2007 @05:23AM (#82914)
The last time I suggested news.yc users collectively upvote each others' submissions on digg/reddit I got downmodded... but I'm still game, if you guys are game.
Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by Tichy on Saturday November 24, 2007 @03:52AM (#83152)
I would be game, but I don't really have useful sites to submit at the moment. One is in german, and the other contains erotica, which are forbidden on digg.

Anyway, I don't think it would even have to be illegal gaming of the system. We could watch each others submissions and if we like them, vote them up.

Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by icky on Friday November 23, 2007 @05:44AM (#82917)
Find the security hole in your plan. :)
Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by rms on Friday November 23, 2007 @09:29PM (#83110)
Well, the problem with all digg-gaming schemes that I have heard about is that someone usually rats everyone out to Digg and then everyone gets banned.
Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by icky on Friday November 23, 2007 @11:15PM (#83127)
The security hole I was thinking of is this: it would give an incentive for digg-spammers to set up accounts on news.yc!
Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by rms on Saturday November 24, 2007 @03:57AM (#83153)
yes, that would also be bad
Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by rms on Thursday November 22, 2007 @09:30PM (#82863)
All I can say is that I'm not really surprised.
Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by joshwa on Friday November 23, 2007 @01:07AM (#82888)
this is exactly the kind of stuff that makes people distrustful of "marketing" messages. Sketchy direct marketers have found their way onto the Internet, and now they're finding their way out of the adsense playground.
Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by asmosoinio on Friday November 23, 2007 @05:43AM (#82916)
I think the amount of comments at TC proves that Dan knows he's stuff.

There is no such thing as bad publicity.

Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by jsb on Saturday November 24, 2007 @11:31PM (#83283)
I worked in a new media marketing department as an intern for awhile and this is exactly the kind of things they were looking into doing. They wanted to generate buzz by promoting in various online communities as a "community member." Not surprisingly, this is where they had their most success. I fortunately didn't have to participate in the buzz generation but there's no question everyone is looking to do this kind of marketing, whether you like it or not. Marketers will do anything to get eyeballs on their message.
Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by ntoshev on Friday November 23, 2007 @03:47AM (#82905)
Well, these guys found their way to techcrunch, so they must know something about the novel ways to spam.
Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by richcollins on Sunday November 25, 2007 @02:23AM (#83300)
Wow I never would have guessed that spamming can work.
Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by amichail on Thursday November 22, 2007 @10:38PM (#82872)
Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by ed on Friday November 23, 2007 @04:05AM (#82908)
Incidentally the author's website, Findory.com, is now defunct. Looks like the answer was "yes."

From the linked post: "And this makes me wonder, am I ruthless enough? In Findory Video, for example, the system tries to automatically filter the soft porn that appears quite popular on both YouTube and Google Video. Is that a mistake? Findory has never spammed anyone. Findory keeps well within fair use for copyright material. Findory directs traffic to content providers to help them earn revenue from their work. Are those mistakes?"

Re:The Secret Strategies Behind Many "Viral" Videos by amichail on Thursday November 22, 2007 @10:40PM (#82873)
This sort of behavior will make social networks even more popular, since you will want to only trust your friends.