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Re:Interview with an Auschwitz Guard: 'I Do Not Feel Like a ... by rdtsc on Saturday September 06, 2014 @05:27PM (#8279536)
This reminds me of (the somewhat controversial) Eichmann in Jerusalem by Hannah Arendt. She was the one who coined the phrase the "banality of evil". The coldness and lack of emotion present is not unlike how Arendt was describing Eichmann.

It seems she was criticized for not showing enough sympathy and or seemingly dismissing the evilness of Eichmann. But in a way the opposite even more scary. That he was not mentally ill, and rabidly antisemitic, but rather stupid and ordinary. Not unlike many authoritarian followers plugged into a large bureaucratic system. He would have ascended just as successfully up the ladder in Stalin's bureaucratic machine or Pol Pot's.

Re:Interview with an Auschwitz Guard: 'I Do Not Feel Like a ... by 616c on Saturday September 06, 2014 @05:51PM (#8279599)
I was recently reading Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murikami and there is a scene mentioning his contributions to the war. I am not sure whether the historical book the main character Kafka reads is real or doctored, but the scene where the author becomes absorbed by it mentions how Eichmann was frusrated by the logistical complexity of this operation. He was unnerved by how much was expected of him to make all Jews disappear with increasingly minimal resources. It was operational tempo that bothered him, not ethics. It was how he might be remembered for his failure to accept the task in front of him.

I cannot exactly remember the frame of reference of main character as he read this in the scene. But I do remember thinking: how did I think I would make it through the military as an officer when I was a young little wannabe patriot?

I think we see this now too. Many people complain about gamification of war. I do not think spy planes and Apache gunship HUDs (heads up displays) make that happen, they just add post-modern flare. If society does not gamify war and killing, we have convinced ourselves we will not win, not fight hard enough.

An end to my many anecodtes. My grandfather was a WWII vet, and very much hated it (only was promoted once in the brig for unlawful dissertion). I was always remember his favorite quote: "they trained us very well to kill but never to stop." It haunts me all the time.

Re:Interview with an Auschwitz Guard: 'I Do Not Feel Like a ... by Steko on Saturday September 06, 2014 @06:21PM (#8279681)
Leonard Cohen's 1971 poem made the point much more succinctly:

All There is to Know About Adolph Eichmann

EYES:……………………………………Medium

HAIR:……………………………………Medium

WEIGHT:………………………………Medium

HEIGHT:………………………………Medium

DISTINGUISHING FEATURES…None

NUMBER OF FINGERS:………..Ten

NUMBER OF TOES………………Ten

INTELLIGENCE…………………….Medium

What did you expect?

Talons?

Oversize incisors?

Green saliva?

Madness?

Re:Interview with an Auschwitz Guard: 'I Do Not Feel Like a ... by arjie on Saturday September 06, 2014 @06:40PM (#8279738)
Stunning. We want to portray evil as exceptional, different from us in obvious perceivable ways, but it is not.
Re:Interview with an Auschwitz Guard: 'I Do Not Feel Like a ... by Houshalter on Sunday September 07, 2014 @01:40AM (#8280430)
Are Your Enemies Innately Evil?: http://lesswrong.com/lw/i0/are_your_enemies_innately_evil/

>Realistically, most people don't construct their life stories with themselves as the villains. Everyone is the hero of their own story. The Enemy's story, as seen by the Enemy, is not going to make the Enemy look bad. If you try to construe motivations that would make the Enemy look bad, you'll end up flat wrong about what actually goes on in the Enemy's mind.

However something like 4% of men are sociopaths, so this isn't always true. But as far as I know, Hitler was not a sociopath, nor were all of the countless other people involved.

Re:Interview with an Auschwitz Guard: 'I Do Not Feel Like a ... by BillFranklin on Saturday September 06, 2014 @07:15PM (#8279815)
Wow, that Leonard Cohen poem. It's true for the Nazi leadership too; explaining Hitler as a madman diminishes the horror of his actions. Point is, he was a sane man. It's only by admitting that he was one of us that helps us not repeat history.
Re:Interview with an Auschwitz Guard: 'I Do Not Feel Like a ... by coldtea on Saturday September 06, 2014 @10:59PM (#8280212)
Plus, he had a huge following who shared the same beliefs. Not just in German population, but also in the ruiling and upper classes of Europe, the US and Latin America.

And, of course, it's not like his actions were that different than things like the slavery of African Americans, the colonization and enslavement of 2/3 of the world by the European colonial powers (with tens of millions of dead, and heinous acts of torture and mass murder), etc.

Re:Interview with an Auschwitz Guard: 'I Do Not Feel Like a ... by cafard on Saturday September 06, 2014 @07:56PM (#8279913)
To judge by the reviews of a new book on Eichmann, she had an axe to grind, and ignored some flaws in her case. If thinking that they should have killed 10.3 million rather than 6 million does not count as rabidly antisemitic, that's setting a pretty high bar.

It is fair to say that there were people such as Arendt painted Eichmann to be. Some went on to quite solid careers on either side of the Cold War.

Re:Interview with an Auschwitz Guard: 'I Do Not Feel Like a ... by kryptiskt on Saturday September 06, 2014 @05:50PM (#8279596)
Arendt's portrayal of Eichmann missed the mark: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/03/books/book-portrays-eichma...
Re:Interview with an Auschwitz Guard: 'I Do Not Feel Like a ... by atlantic on Saturday September 06, 2014 @06:13PM (#8279659)
It's a bit glib to dismiss a long and well-researched book in a single throwaway sentence. Hsve you taken the trouble to read it? I found it extremely convincing. Arendt sat through the entire trial and examined reams of historical documents.
Re:Interview with an Auschwitz Guard: 'I Do Not Feel Like a ... by defen on Saturday September 06, 2014 @06:44PM (#8279746)
The claim made in this new book is that Eichmann was far more intelligent than he let on, and that he essentially fooled everyone by telling them what they wanted to hear. Evidence is provided in the form of his writings about the moral philosophy of Kant, and previously-mislabeled transcripts from postwar interviews conducted in Argentina by a fellow member of a sort of Nazi book club they were running. Basically all this evidence was out there, it was just misclassified or mislabeled and so no one had connected the dots.
Re:Interview with an Auschwitz Guard: 'I Do Not Feel Like a ... by kryptiskt on Saturday September 06, 2014 @06:36PM (#8279720)
Well, I did link to a review of another long and well-researched book that picks apart Arendt's portrayal. Unless the referred documents are complete fabrications I can't see how Arendt's thesis holds water anymore.
Re:Interview with an Auschwitz Guard: 'I Do Not Feel Like a ... by GftaLW on Saturday September 06, 2014 @06:50PM (#8279765)
I encourage others to read that review of Bettina Stangneth's "Eichmann Before Jerusalem". Again: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/03/books/book-portrays-eichma.... It does contradict Arendt's thesis, and does so with comprehensive grounding in source material that had been unexamined.

Arendt's thesis is that Eichmann was banal -- that is so lacking in originality and boring -- in his evil, that he was an unthinking functionary just following orders. This is not what Eichmann's memoirs and interviews from his time in Argentina (after World War II, before Jerusalem) convey. He contemplated and dismissed the philosophy of Kant. He participated in weekly book clubs and laid groundwork for Holocaust deniers. He spoke of his genocidal role as a "duty to our blood".

This is not the talk of a man who was just following orders.