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Re:The FBI Says How It ‘Legally’ Pinpointed Silk Road’s Server by void-star on Friday September 05, 2014 @08:35PM (#8277006)
As to the second point. This "fiddling" with "miscellaneous" input characters could also be interpreted cover brute-forcing login attempts. I'm not sure that's a good precedent...
Re:The FBI Says How It ‘Legally’ Pinpointed Silk Road’s Server by cesarb on Friday September 05, 2014 @09:38PM (#8277132)
If it was "miscellaneous" input characters, it probably wasn't brute-forcing login attempts. Brute-forcing logins would use mostly alphanumeric input characters, not "miscellaneous" input characters.

The word "miscellaneous" to me implies things like quotes, backticks, and similar non-alphanumeric characters. "Fiddling" with them would be attempting to find somewhere that didn't quote an input value correctly: they were attempting to find something like an SQL injection.

Re:The FBI Says How It ‘Legally’ Pinpointed Silk Road’s Server by tedunangst on Friday September 05, 2014 @10:11PM (#8277228)
My understanding is that they attempted a login a few times. User: dpr. Password: ababa, dada, bobo, etc. This in turn triggers the web app to display a captcha after too many failures. The img src for the captcha revealed the IP.

It wasn't much of a "brute force" attack, it wasn't SQL injection (though it's possible they were poking at that too), but just the simple question, what happens if we try to login five times with "miscellaneous" passwords? Hey, look, a captcha! I wonder what server the image comes from...

Re:The FBI Says How It ‘Legally’ Pinpointed Silk Road’s Server by pbhjpbhj on Saturday September 06, 2014 @08:24AM (#8278166)
Trying a series of passwords is unauthorised access though, surely? Like opening a barrel lock, you try a few positions because that gives up the code eventually, it's not brute force but it's not authorised access by a long shot.

Deciding which way the decision should go must be causing quite a few hours of concentrated legal consideration - there are downsides in both directions for the government.

Re:The FBI Says How It ‘Legally’ Pinpointed Silk Road’s Server by tedunangst on Saturday September 06, 2014 @11:50AM (#8278599)
I don't know. Trying a series of passwords until I get it right is basically my standard login procedure. Guess I have to get to three felonies a day somehow.
Re:The FBI Says How It ‘Legally’ Pinpointed Silk Road’s Server by eru on Sunday September 07, 2014 @05:50AM (#8280681)
Breaking into your own house is not a crime.
Re:The FBI Says How It ‘Legally’ Pinpointed Silk Road’s Server by DINKDINK on Saturday September 06, 2014 @02:48AM (#8277722)
What would cause the captcha's image to leak the ip but a regular image on the tor website not?
Re:The FBI Says How It ‘Legally’ Pinpointed Silk Road’s Server by patio11 on Saturday September 06, 2014 @03:31AM (#8277777)
Something as simple as using 3rd party code for the capcha with a config file that said "host name goes here." Would you be at all surprised to find this in a WordPress plugin or similar?
Re:The FBI Says How It ‘Legally’ Pinpointed Silk Road’s Server by cnvogel on Saturday September 06, 2014 @03:45AM (#8277797)
This is purely guessing, but checking regular images (right size, format, ...) will be the "day-to-day" business of looking after a website. And more often than not the administrator will therefore "Open image in new tab..." and become aware of an incorrect image path.

The Captchas, on the other hand, might have been using an existing software. Remember: These captcha images will have to be autogenerated by a script which, as a convenience to the user, might have used some kind of mechanism to determine "fully qualified" URLs. And this had slipped below the radar, as it's a feature used much less often, and hence likely to receive much less scrutiny.

I think it's pretty likely that these kinds of information leaks can happen when you deal with a larger codebase or system. Hence following the advice of some other HN users, who recommend a strictly firewalled system for this kind of use-case, looks like a prudent thing to do.

Re:The FBI Says How It ‘Legally’ Pinpointed Silk Road’s Server by gvb on Saturday September 06, 2014 @09:41AM (#8278333)
The site was misconfigured WRT serving the captcha image resulting in the image link pointing directly to the SR server rather than being routed through TOR.
Re:The FBI Says How It ‘Legally’ Pinpointed Silk Road’s Server by nmjohn on Friday September 05, 2014 @09:09PM (#8277068)
If there is an external server that is vulnerable to a brute force attack, it is trivial to exploit it anonymously.

People who get caught trying to brute force servers (do people even get caught for this???) are the lowest hanging fruit and are the ones least harmful to society.

My point is precedent doesn't really matter, because realistically, you won't have anyone to actually prosecute except for the 13 year old "hacker" who had no idea what they were doing.