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Re:Etsy CEO to Businesses: If Net Neutrality Perishes, We Wi... by everythingswan on Thursday September 04, 2014 @10:35AM (#8268466)
I don't really like the term middle man for this. They repackage and sell a service. They have solved a problem better than anyone else. That is real value.

Just because the product or service is a derivative of something else doesn't mean it doesn't have real value. Fantasy football, for example. Should we look at fantasy football sites because they just repackage NFL stats?

In this situation, we should just let AT&T/Bell dictate all things internet, since they laid the foundation with their lines. I think the point has some weight, but there's a lot more at stake than a simple service fee.

Re:Etsy CEO to Businesses: If Net Neutrality Perishes, We Wi... by pyre on Thursday September 04, 2014 @11:52AM (#8268947)
> In this situation, we should just let AT&T/Bell dictate all things internet, since they laid the foundation with their lines.

... at a time when the government guaranteed their profits. I think that's an important point to remember when a business built off of years of government-granted monopoly starts complaining about government regulation.

Re:Etsy CEO to Businesses: If Net Neutrality Perishes, We Wi... by rayiner on Thursday September 04, 2014 @12:08PM (#8269053)
The monopoly was granted in return for all sorts of regulations (namely, universal service). The monopoly protection is gone now, so presumably should the regulations be gone.

Moreover, how relevant is the pre-1980's POTS infrastructure to this whole debate? How many Netflix customers are on DSL that hasn't been rebuilt since the breakup?

Re:Etsy CEO to Businesses: If Net Neutrality Perishes, We Wi... by dragonwriter on Thursday September 04, 2014 @12:42PM (#8269261)
> Moreover, how relevant is the pre-1980's POTS infrastructure to this whole debate?

Very

> How many Netflix customers are on DSL that hasn't been rebuilt since the breakup?

Even if its been rebuilt since the property rights were acquired, the fact that the property rights were acquired when the provider had a monopoly and government backing (and the same thing applies to the cable cos that are ISPs as to the telcos) is a substantial advantage over any new entrant.

Re:Etsy CEO to Businesses: If Net Neutrality Perishes, We Wi... by rayiner on Thursday September 04, 2014 @02:04PM (#8269718)
> Even if its been rebuilt since the property rights were acquired

Everywhere I've lived, cable companies don't own the rights of way, but instead pay municipalities or power companies to run wire along public easements or power lines.