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Re:Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK by saosebastiao on Tuesday August 26, 2014 @11:38AM (#8227702)
Nobody can give you shipping charges without knowing your address. The credit card step exists because most of the time the billing address and shipping address are the same.
Re:Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK by mrweasel on Tuesday August 26, 2014 @03:43PM (#8229079)
It depends really. Amazon.com, no of cause not, the US is huge for small countries, you do know the shipping cost.

I work for a company that has seven webshops, in six countries. We work out how much it will be to ship an item, on average and just include it in the price of the product. If the customer orders multiple item, we save a bit of money on shipping for that order. So in our case, because one webshop only shipping within one country, we always have a shipping cost of zero (it no zero of cause, it's factored into the product price, but it easier to figure out the actual cost of a purchase ).

Re:Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK by dzhiurgis on Tuesday August 26, 2014 @11:50AM (#8227785)
I've been their customer for ages, surely they could've worked it out.
Re:Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK by lilsunnybee on Wednesday August 27, 2014 @01:06PM (#8233251)
It depends on what shipping address you use though. An online vendor could probably be sued for false advertising if they showed one shipping price, but then changed it later because a customer decided to use a new shipping address.
Re:Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK by kuschku on Tuesday August 26, 2014 @07:01PM (#8230058)
Hmm, I am paying here on amazon.de with direct bank transfer, and it shows shipping costs even directly on the article page as long as I'm logged in.

Why is that?

Re:Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK by kbart on Wednesday August 27, 2014 @02:07AM (#8231001)
Denmark is much smaller than USA, so the shipping cost doesn't depend much (or any) on your actual address/postal code.
Re:Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK by rmc on Tuesday August 26, 2014 @04:59PM (#8229505)
I have a few addresses in my amazon account, and post to one 99% of the time. It shouldn't take a genius to figure that out.
Re:Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK by saosebastiao on Tuesday August 26, 2014 @05:09PM (#8229574)
And misquote to you 1% of the time? That would open them up to a fraud claim 1% of the time.
Re:Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK by dzhiurgis on Tuesday August 26, 2014 @06:10PM (#8229872)
Billing address won't change the shipping address.
Re:Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK by saosebastiao on Tuesday August 26, 2014 @06:20PM (#8229908)
And if I'm sending a gift to an address that isn't already in my account?

Ship cost estimates are far more difficult than just making an assumption about where it will be shipped to. You just flat out can't quote a shipping cost unless you know for sure what the address is, or else the act of quoting shipping can actually be considered fraudulent. They get the delivery address at the same stage as the payment information because it allows for an easy "Shipping address is same as billing address" option.

For anyone that is too skeptical about entering payment information before seeing shipping costs, there is an option to estimate your shipping costs beforehand. It requires more work though, which is why it is an optional step.