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Re:Autistics in the Silicon Valley by dyadic on Wednesday August 20, 2014 @05:58PM (#8204903)
In the ideal world there'd be no companies explicitly seeking or denying the autistic, just jobs available and anyone applying and then viewed as more than autistic or not autistic.

Secondly, but perhaps more important, I see companies that solely hire the autistic more as taking advantage than as providing assistance.

Re:Autistics in the Silicon Valley by mamcx on Wednesday August 20, 2014 @07:28PM (#8205217)
Do you understand that autistic not mean "Like Sheldon Cooper?". Autism is use too broadly now, so spread that include mildly issues. A serious autistic persons is unemployable (or need constant supervision). Even the most sympathetic employer would have a great problem trying to employ somebody that can't communicate, can't control itself, can't take commands, can't adapt to the situation, maybe will attack with ferocity for (apparent) no reason, or try to injure itself, and so on.
Re:Autistics in the Silicon Valley by Liesmith on Wednesday August 20, 2014 @07:38PM (#8205250)
It's not used 'too broadly.' Autism is a disorder on a spectrum. Some people have mild autism, some people have moderate and some people have severe autism. These are technical terms.

Also calling people 'autistic' and later calling people with autism 'it' as in 'try to injure itself' is a really shitty way to talk about human beings. Check yourself.

Re:Autistics in the Silicon Valley by sdrothrock on Wednesday August 20, 2014 @07:46PM (#8205275)
> Also calling people 'autistic' and later calling people with autism 'it' as in 'try to injure itself' is a really shitty way to talk about human beings. Check yourself.

mamcx is not a native English speaker and was perhaps trying to use "it" as a gender-inspecific pronoun rather than intentionally portraying people on the autistic spectrum as "objects" or "inhuman."

Re:Autistics in the Silicon Valley by mamcx on Wednesday August 20, 2014 @10:07PM (#8205647)
yep, sorry for the bad choice of words.
Re:Autistics in the Silicon Valley by sdrothrock on Wednesday August 20, 2014 @10:11PM (#8205653)
No problem.

I think most people will tend to use a plural (they, them) in this kind of situation. People who are pickier about grammar will probably say "he or she" or "him or her."

Re:Autistics in the Silicon Valley by dubfan on Wednesday August 20, 2014 @07:49PM (#8205291)
Did you read the article? The author uses "autistic" to refer to people with autism (and additionally rejects the term "people with autism")
Re:Autistics in the Silicon Valley by mamcx on Wednesday August 20, 2014 @10:12PM (#8205655)
That is a weird distinction, probably is a cultural thing? How can be better to say one of the other?. I have more than 30 years with my twin brother. My aunt is a professional trainer for people with disabilitues (a sport, gold-winner kind of trainer), I have learn a bit of sign language and so on. But I never heard that kind of argument (ie: here in colombia none of both will sound more or less respectfull, are equivalent)
Re:Autistics in the Silicon Valley by RaptorJ on Wednesday August 20, 2014 @11:12PM (#8205774)
There is some contention [weasel words] about what is the better way to refer to people with disabilities/diabled persons. Here are two perspectives:

People-first: http://www.asha.org/publications/journals/submissions/person... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People-first_language

Identity-first: http://www.xojane.com/issues/i-am-not-a-person-with-a-disabi... and http://cheshirekit.wordpress.com/2014/01/23/the-social-model...

Re:Autistics in the Silicon Valley by Liesmith on Wednesday August 20, 2014 @09:07PM (#8205471)
Yeah I read the article, and his rejection of 'people with autism' is akin to 'deaf culture' nonsense. Autism is a tragic, often crippling disorder and this guy wants it to be a culture. That's fine, he can feel however he wants and construct his identity however he feels best about himself. Calling a person 'it' is considerably worse, though, and that's what I was objecting to above.
Re:Autistics in the Silicon Valley by chimeracoder on Wednesday August 20, 2014 @06:14PM (#8204974)
> In the ideal world there'd be no companies explicitly seeking or denying the autistic, just jobs available and anyone applying and then viewed as more than autistic or not autistic.

Perhaps, but this only works in a world in which our evaluation criteria and processes are sophisticated and mature enough to be fair to all applicants. The article illustrates a few reasons this is not the case (such as expecting candidates to look you in the eye when talking to you).

Interviewers (and systems/processes) have biases - the first step to eliminating those subtle (or sometimes not-so-subtle) biases is to be aware of them and actively work to eliminating those biases, not pretending that being {race,gender,disability,etc.}-'blind' is the same as being 'neutral' and therefore unbiased.

> Secondly, but perhaps more important, I see companies that solely hire the autistic more as taking advantage than as providing assistance.

This may be true; I'm not familiar enough with programs such as the one mentioned in the article.

Re:Autistics in the Silicon Valley by baddox on Wednesday August 20, 2014 @07:00PM (#8205132)
> Perhaps, but this only works in a world in which our evaluation criteria and processes are sophisticated and mature enough to be fair to all applicants.

That problem is that "fair" is a subjective notion. Most people value being fair, but they will disagree on which decisions are fair.