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Re:How Tesla-Toyota Project Led to Culture Clash by Opposites by stcredzero on Tuesday August 12, 2014 @04:19PM (#8169914)
But there is probably a hard ceiling to the efficiency of safe and cost effective Li-ion batteries. We can't be entirely sure because we don't fully understand how Li-ion batteries work, but my best layman's educated guess is that those are close to tapped out as well.

The strength of the battery+motor electric drivetrain is that it's modular. Come up with another energy storage method, build it into a power pack, then plug it right into existing Tesla S cars, get the over the air software update, and you're back in business. There's also all of that frunk space.

Re:How Tesla-Toyota Project Led to Culture Clash by Opposites by seanflyon on Tuesday August 12, 2014 @05:50PM (#8170403)
Obviously batteries will not surpass 100% efficiency and are already reasonably close to that so yes, batteries are nearing a hard limit on efficiency. Energy density on the other hand is no where near its theoretical limits.
Re:How Tesla-Toyota Project Led to Culture Clash by Opposites by stcredzero on Saturday August 16, 2014 @10:04PM (#8188315)
> Obviously batteries will not surpass 100% efficiency and are already reasonably close to that so yes, batteries are nearing a hard limit on efficiency. Energy density on the other hand

Energy density is what I meant. I found some graphs to look at. You are probably right about there being lots more room for improving energy density.

Re:How Tesla-Toyota Project Led to Culture Clash by Opposites by Hytosys on Tuesday August 12, 2014 @11:00PM (#8171269)
>my best layman's educated guess...

Can you elaborate on your reasoning?

Re:How Tesla-Toyota Project Led to Culture Clash by Opposites by stcredzero on Saturday August 16, 2014 @10:08PM (#8188325)
Only that we've been trying for awhile now. I just looked at some graphs online, and maybe they'll get 50 to 100% times better in the next decade or so. That's pretty significant.