Re:Vancouver tech surges as U.S. immigration reform idles
by paul on Monday August 11, 2014 @12:07AM
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I think you misunderstood my point about YC and Google -- they would not exist without their foreign born founders. If you think the existence of Google is only of tenuous benefit to others, then I don't know what to say :)
Re:Vancouver tech surges as U.S. immigration reform idles
by x0x0 on Monday August 11, 2014 @02:55PM
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I'm saying the marginal benefit of 5k founder visas is of tenuous benefit. Nobody (I assume?) is debating the value of google's search engine, or thinks like book search / digitization.
Re:Vancouver tech surges as U.S. immigration reform idles
by w1ntermute on Monday August 11, 2014 @08:29AM
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From the demographics, it's quite clear that SV has no problem with non-whites. And if you compare the graduation demographics in technical disciplines with hiring demographics, you'll see that all groups are fairly represented.
If certain groups of non-whites are not receiving the education required to contribute in SV, that isn't the responsibility of SV to fix. That's the job of the government and the schools. And it's on the communities where those underrepresented minorities grow up to change their toxic cultures so they don't look down on being educated as "acting white."
And frankly, I do believe that Google -- and yes, YC too, viewing YC as somewhat of an umbrella organization of the companies it has incubated -- bear a certain responsibility to Americans that importing foreign workers has helped you sidestep. There's plenty of engineers here who can't / don't want to make large life sacrifices to live in the bay area. Where is your (or Google, or YCs) leadership on things like: community problems in the bay area (housing, transportation), education, engineering pipelines, etc. Google and YC's diversity numbers are pathetic [1], and that lack of diversity represents lots of potential employees that are already here.
Given the way you defend your proposed changes is to claim opposing them means you think foreigners are stealing jobs or some such stupidity, I think it clarifies our positions.
[1] http://www.google.com/diversity/at-google.htm