Re:Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?
by wutbrodo on Tuesday July 29, 2014 @01:53PM
(#8103680)
For your use case, acceptable ads definitely doesn't fit but a lot of people justify what they're doing as not-unethical (getting content without compensating creators) by saying that they're only protecting themselves from abusive ads, and blocking all ads is basically the only way to do this.
For these people, your malware example falls flat. A more accurate example would be a firewall whitelisting known non-malware software. At least in theory, that's how the acceptable ads feature works.
Re:Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?
by Karunamon on Tuesday July 29, 2014 @01:55PM
(#8103694)
There are two "allow" methods, one from the acceptable ads list, which is public, and another via an "x-adblock-key" that can be provided in an HTTP header. There is no list of which sites use the key.
as wreegab pointed out earlier
> So in fact there is really a public list and a private list it appears (through the x-adblock-key header), while the public list is presented as all there is to "acceptable ads".
Re:Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?
by martin56 on Tuesday July 29, 2014 @02:39PM
(#8104070)
No, there is no private list, it's just the public one. You can check out the key header whitelist here: http://cheme.com/ Visit this site with "Acceptable Ads" enabled and disabled and you will see the difference. Notice the "data-adblockkey" in the source. This was publically announced in their "Acceptable Ads proposal" forum here and later added to the public list: https://adblockplus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=17699
Re:Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?
by wreegab on Tuesday July 29, 2014 @02:55PM
(#8104200)
> Visit this site with "Acceptable Ads" enabled and disabled and you will see the difference
Nowwhere did I say pages with the x-adblock-key were not respecting the "Acceptable ads" setting.
I said that there are more whitelisted sites than just what is presented as the only list in the section titled "How can I see what you are allowing?" on ABP's reference page regarding "acceptable ads" [1].
Re:Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?
by martin56 on Tuesday July 29, 2014 @04:23PM
(#8104778)
That's right, you didn't say that. You said there is a "public" and a "private" list. To me this sounds like the "private" one is somehow hidden from the public and cannot be seen which isn't the case.
Re:Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?
by flaviu1 on Tuesday July 29, 2014 @08:28PM
(#8105793)
I don't necessarily trust the adblock developers. The whitelist can say that a sitekey is only used on certain sites, but how can I know it isn't also being used on others? If sites want to have their ads white-listed, they should be less sneaky about it and just add `ad` to the class, making it possible for the users to prove that only that ad is whitelisted.
Re:Which is better, Adblock or Adblock Plus?
by Karunamon on Tuesday July 29, 2014 @05:50PM
(#8105224)
There is no list of sites which utilize the header and do not appear on the main allow list.
But in the end, it's all still malware.
In other words, it's a pretty massive conflict of interest.
If I wanted to look at ads, I wouldn't have installed an ad blocking plugin. Combined with the "private" list that nobody can see, there is plenty of reason to use a fork that has no such conflicts.