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Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by ende on Sunday July 27, 2014 @09:47AM (#8092723)
I would like to call for the establishment of a Department of Liberty, with 50% of DHS and other intellifence and law enforcement agencys' funding being diverted into its formation. Its function would be twofold:

1) an army of civil rights defense attourneys to counter the DOJ, DHS, etc.

2) a force of federal agents who have the authority to interefere with any federal, state or local law enforcement activity, but completely lack the ability to touch citizens. Their sole mission would be to detain law enforcement officers suspected of abusing their power, raid illegaly acquired/held state confiscation staches, liberate detained civilians, confiscate/destroy/release government secret records, interfere with unlawful border patrol, and execute on the spot any law enforcement agent caught in the act of violating person's civil liberties.

They will watch the watchmen.

Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by e40 on Sunday July 27, 2014 @10:27AM (#8092819)
execute on the spot any law enforcement agent caught in the act of violating person's civil liberties.

Yeah, there's no way that could go wrong.

Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by lclarkmichalek on Sunday July 27, 2014 @10:02AM (#8092758)
> execute on the spot any law enforcement agent caught in the act of violating person's civil liberties.

Surely this rule would create a rather suicidal agency? Or is due cause no longer a civil liberty?

Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by ende on Sunday July 27, 2014 @11:03AM (#8092917)
That last item was a bit hyperbole.
Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by ericcumbee on Sunday July 27, 2014 @12:45PM (#8093214)
In theory that is why each agency has an office of inspector general. they are supposed to police abuse, fraud, and waste in these agencies. However however they still report to the head of that agency and ultimately the AG and president.
Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by ende on Wednesday July 30, 2014 @11:24AM (#8108727)
Not enough independence. Need an entity that reports to someone outside of the chain of command and has as much teeth as the executive.
Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by ericcumbee on Wednesday July 30, 2014 @02:41PM (#8110152)
That is called congressional oversight.
Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by rtpg on Sunday July 27, 2014 @09:51AM (#8092733)
That's what the judicial system is for.
Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by NhanH on Sunday July 27, 2014 @10:05AM (#8092764)
I'm not sure if GP's suggestion is actually viable (the whole "who watches the watchers" problem, and there is no way funding to the new department could match the existing departments - ie at best, it will not be that effective).

However, I've always thought that judicial system is a mean to check the legislative branch (rather than executive). The reasons being that judicial system has no mean to enforce/ prevent wrong doing (legislative can cut funding), and they also have no way to proactive prevent any wrong doings from happening (you can't do investigation, and anything that reaches the court necessitates a lawsuit).

Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by pyre on Sunday July 27, 2014 @11:03AM (#8092918)
The Judicial checks the Executive in that the Executive is tasked with brining people before the Courts. The Courts decide if that person should be punished in accordance with the laws, but they can also rule on the behaviour of law enforcement in accordance with the laws too.
Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by ende on Sunday July 27, 2014 @11:06AM (#8092924)
I've wondered about that angle too. Maybe the Judicial branch should have its own enforcement arm. SCOTUS does have its own police force.
Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by sfk on Sunday July 27, 2014 @11:17AM (#8092960)
Sure, provided that you are independently rich.
Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by snowwrestler on Sunday July 27, 2014 @12:30PM (#8093177)
So your solution to the problem of government overreach is to create a new government agency?

The only "department of liberty" is you, and me, and other citizens. We're sovereign under the U.S. system of law; empowered to make change in a variety of ways.

But we have to do it. There's no way around the fact that a democracy is only as good as its citizen activism. There are some things you can't outsource or delegate.

Re:Rand Paul introduces bill to reform civil asset forfeiture by ende on Wednesday July 30, 2014 @11:21AM (#8108707)
If only that were so, and if only that were enough. Sadly the steady rise of the militarized police state begs to differ.