Why I'm Productive in Clojure

Re:Why I'm Productive in Clojure by mjt0229 on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:17AM (#8074464)

C brings in its own problems. Compiler (in)compatibilities, the need to install libraries on a machine to be able to compile and run programs. And besides, in C you still have a build system problem - Make is fine, but it is definitely opinionated about how things happen, and you potentially have to write a lot more boilerplate to get a complex project built with Make than you do for Leiningen, Maven, SBT, etc.

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Re:Why I'm Productive in Clojure by Touche on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:25AM (#8074510)

You don't have to use Make, there are a half a dozen other popular build systems.

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Re:Why I'm Productive in Clojure by dkersten on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @05:28PM (#8077056)

I personally find that to be a horrible experience. Nothing worse than having to install a bunch of tools that you'll never use again, to compile someone else's project. For example, if you use CMake, tough, project A uses autotools. You use bjam? Project B uses QtCreator/QMake. You use Waf? Project C uses SCons.

No thanks, just give me a standard build tool like leiningen and be done with it.

(Ok, so its not "usually" that drastic, because there are only a handful of winners, but its happened a few times now that I've had to install Ruby - a language I don't use myself - just to run Rake to build some non-ruby software I've wanted...)

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Re:Why I'm Productive in Clojure by Touche on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @08:42PM (#8077731)

You're confusing the end user experience from the developer experience.

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Re:Why I'm Productive in Clojure by dkersten on Sunday July 27, 2014 @05:07PM (#8093973)

I don't understand how.

If I'm a developer, I've got the problem I mentioned. If I'm a user, I only have the problem if I build from source.

Either way, with a standardised build tool like leiningen, I don't have the problem because, as a developer, I only need leiningen. As a user building from source, I only need leiningen. Both use cases are much simpler.

However, having said that, I was only referring to the developer experience in my comment. I'm not really too sure what you read it as, but like I say above, I don't think it really matters: its a problem either way and both go away with a standard build tool.

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