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Re:Why AI is a dangerous dream - interview with Noel Sharkey by kd5bjo on Friday September 04, 2009 @07:31PM (#805953)
Are these human composers not "merely following a set of rules", namely quantum mechanics?
Re:Why AI is a dangerous dream - interview with Noel Sharkey by jacquesm on Saturday September 05, 2009 @04:09AM (#806338)
You're in line with Roger Penrose here, who suggests that in order to generate consciousness we will have to look at quantum effects rather than at molecular level effects.

This is possible, but not a certainty.

Re:Why AI is a dangerous dream - interview with Noel Sharkey by kd5bjo on Saturday September 05, 2009 @01:23PM (#806787)
From what I understand, molecular level effects are the same as quantum effects looked at from a slightly higher level. My point was that, as far as we can tell, everything people do is the ultimate result of applying a fairly simple set of rules (the physical laws).
Re:Why AI is a dangerous dream - interview with Noel Sharkey by jacquesm on Saturday September 05, 2009 @01:34PM (#806801)
I don't think it is quite that simple. Quantum effects can screw up the apparent 'rules' of the macro world (atoms, molecules and upwards) subtle the closer you get to the lower levels of the macro world.

Physics as you know it ('classical physics') stops making sense at that level, things no longer have an apparent causal relationship.

What Roger Penrose argues in his book 'the emperors new mind' is that 'mind' springs from these effects.

He suspects that if we simply follow the classical physics rules that we will end up on a dead end and that it will take a full blown quantum simulation of a whole brain in order to simulate one with the emergent behaviour that is being sought.

Re:Why AI is a dangerous dream - interview with Noel Sharkey by kd5bjo on Sunday September 06, 2009 @11:30AM (#807873)
Certainly. Setting aside whether or not quantum (instead of classical) physics is necessary, it certainly seems to be sufficient to explain everything that a person does. Given that, how can a person not be considered to "merely follow a set of rules"?