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Re:The Benefits of Failing at French by b6 on Friday July 18, 2014 @03:10PM (#8055001)
I've struggled a lot with Mandarin pronunciation. I think the difficulty is mostly due to Chinese speakers being sensitive to differences between some sounds that English speakers lump together.

For example, most English speakers would initially not be aware of any significant difference between the sounds of pinyin "x" and "sh". They're both basically English "sh".

And there are a few other similar cases in Mandarin. Imagine how confused you'd be if someone was speaking English, but randomly swapping the sounds of "p" and "j", and the sounds of "r" and "b", etc.

One thing that makes me love Chinese people even more is that they're so forgiving of my mistakes and accent. The provinces have their own mutually unintelligible dialects, so they're very used to hearing heavy accents. As long as I paint a good enough caricature for them to catch on, it's good enough, and they never make me feel bad about sounding strange. I'm very touched and grateful to them.

Here's something I wrote a while back on this subject: http://nopandas.posthaven.com/understanding-by-listening

Re:The Benefits of Failing at French by Zarel on Saturday July 19, 2014 @08:55PM (#8059261)
> For example, most English speakers would initially not be aware of any significant difference between the sounds of pinyin "x" and "sh". They're both basically English "sh".

That's interesting. To me, as Southern Chinese, Pinyin "x" and "sh" are very different. What I get confused are Pinyin "sh" and "s", which both sound like English "s" to me.

Re:The Benefits of Failing at French by mjklin on Sunday July 20, 2014 @09:54AM (#8060292)
Now try the Hunan dialect where they pronounce h as f and (stressed) n as l.

Yes, they pronounce their province "Fulan"