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Re:The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment by derefr on Friday July 18, 2014 @12:37AM (#8051681)
> IMO a pretty likely fact: simulation of the universe (and human consciousness within it) is impossible.

Why assume that our universe is running on a substrate exactly as constrained as it is? Just because our universe doesn't permit, say, hypercomputers, doesn't mean the universe simulating our universe doesn't permit them.

Re:The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment by chubot on Friday July 18, 2014 @12:53AM (#8051727)
Because any such statements aren't falsifiable (see Karl Popper).

The assertion that we are living in a simulation has the same epistemological status as the assertion that God is a pygmy turtle who created the physical laws of the universe while smoking hashish.

You don't even have to think about Roko's Basilisk to get paranoid. You can just suppose that the turtle has rigged the universe so that if you urinate more than 4 times a day, your future children will slowly torture then murder you.

If you suppose that we are living in a simlulation, you can come up with any number of ghastly thoughts. You don't even need to suppose the conditions of Roko's Basilisk. That's just extra BS on top.

BTW, the reason I brought up "with the computers of today" is because the I think the only reason anybody believes simulation is possible is because computers exist. I'm pretty sure that nobody in the 19th century was writing about simulation, because they couldn't imagine a mechanism by which it is possible.

I still can't imagine a mechanism by which it's possible... but some people can, simply because computers can do kind of impressive things that are not really related to simulating the universe.

Re:The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment by eli_gottlieb on Saturday July 19, 2014 @05:52AM (#8057093)
> Because any such statements aren't falsifiable (see Karl Popper).

We're going to have a thread about LessWrong and people bring up Karl "hypothetico-conjectural I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THERE'S A SCIENTIFIC METHOD YOU MAKE THINGS UP WITH YOUR MAGICAL HUMAN MINDS" Popper?

For God's sake, it's not as is unfalsifiability doesn't have a meaning in Bayesian philosophy of science as well.

Re:The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment by nitrogen on Friday July 18, 2014 @12:55AM (#8051734)
The simulation argument is based on the supposition that, since we make simulations, there must be bigger simulations, and we must be in one of them. So if we can't actually make simulations, there's no reason to assume that something "bigger" than us is simulating us.
Re:The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment by oakwhiz on Friday July 18, 2014 @02:20AM (#8051915)
Unless the simulator that we are inside is somehow designed such that it itself cannot be simulated from within. An analogy for this might be to imagine people being simulated inside a machine that is not theoretically Turing-complete.

Not that I believe in such a thing - at this point the argument would devolve into something unfalsifiable, since the way that logic works outside of our simulated universe would not be same way that logic works inside, and you'd just have to take my word for it that the simulation is being run by an infinitely stacked series of hyperintelligent turtles, since you cannot use "inside logic" to prove anything about anything that is "outside."