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Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by wallflower on Friday September 04, 2009 @05:17AM (#804535)
One of my sister's friends, a short average looking bald gay man is constantly hit on by very attractive women (he lives and works in NYC). He says it might be due to the fact that he is totally non-plussed by beautiful women (since he has no sexual interest in them)

There is always desensitization training. In one day, you could probably approach fifty attractive women and effectively tame your fear. I've never done that, and I think it would be a courageous (courage comes after the action) personal exercise (probably to attempt in a city you do not live in)

Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by ilitirit on Friday September 04, 2009 @07:39AM (#804631)
> He says it might be due to the fact that he is totally non-plussed by beautiful women (since he has no sexual interest in them)

I was somewhat nonplussed by this statement until I read this:

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/nonplussed?view=uk

Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by TomOfTTB on Friday September 04, 2009 @10:29AM (#804867)
My dad acted in the Theatre and so I had been doing Theatre tech since about 11 years old (and have many, many beautiful women as friends). With that experience in mind I can verify you sister's friend's claim.

When you come right down to it there are two things you have to realize about women.

1. As hard as it is for Men to comprehend the truth is attractiveness isn't that high on a woman's list. It's not that women don't like an attractive man it's just lower on the list. Here's an example I use to explain it to men. I, as someone who dated a lot of theatre women, like dating professional dancers (for reasons I won't be so crass as to spell out here). But I'll certainly be interested in a beautiful, smart, funny woman who isn't a dancer. Attractiveness to women is like being a dancer to me. It's a plus but not a deal breaker. Hence "average looking bald guy" isn't necessarily a deterrent.

2. Attracting women in general boils down to one simple concept: Stand out from the crowd in a good way. No women wants a guy that seems average to her. So when your sister's gay friend shows a lack of interest in a woman every other man drools over it makes that woman wonder why and gives the guy a sense of mystery to him. Hence he stands out in an appealing way which makes women want to take a shot with him and see why he's different.

Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by ch1x0r on Friday September 04, 2009 @12:44PM (#805154)
It seems to me that men would actually very much like to believe that women don't care about attractiveness, but we do. If it was the case that women don't care about attractiveness, why is it that (if research is to be believed) most couples tend to be about the same level of attractiveness? Probably because women actually do very much care about attractiveness. Is it possible to have some personality attribute that would outweigh average or below-average looks? Yes, but not nearly as common as most men it seems would like to believe. I am having a hard time buying the hot women hitting on average bald gay guy story. It is fun to flirt with gay men, definitely, but not because we actually want to get with them, and NYC women know how to spot gay men. There's something missing to this friend of a friend of a sister of a... story.
Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by TomOfTTB on Friday September 04, 2009 @01:17PM (#805244)
First, might I suggest you read a comment before replying to it. I never said women didn't care about attractiveness in fact I said just the opposite.

Second, most couples in my experience aren't of equal levels of attractiveness (and I'd like to see the research you quote because I don't know how levels of attractiveness could be gauged effectively enough to conduct such research). In fact, I'd say just the opposite in that there is legitimate research that says women are prone to date/marry men older than they are which would mean other traits rank higher than attractiveness (which of course fades as we age).

Beyond that, looking at the extreme, have you ever looked at the husbands of SuperModels?

Like Paulina Porizkova: http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9066/paulinaqv6.jpg

Or Heidi Klum: http://www.clevelandleader.com/files/heidisealbaby.jpg (I love ya Seal but that stuff on your face is weird)

Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by geebee on Friday September 04, 2009 @02:09PM (#805354)
You didn't say that women don't care about attractiveness, but you did say that attractiveness "isn't all that high on a woman's list." So while your position was a bit misrepresented, I don't think you can quite claim to have said "the opposite."

This is all a question of degree. I do think that physical attractiveness does play a very big role in both directions. But clearly women do place a somewhat lower premium on it than men do.

Just to add to the anecdotal useleness, rich men do attract women, but women swoon over Brad Pitt or that twilight star waaaaaay more than they every will over "the donald".

Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by xiaoma on Saturday September 05, 2009 @10:01AM (#806536)
Brad Pitt is both rich and famous. I'm not sure he does much to make your point.

At 46 years old, Brad Pitt is also about twice the age of the women who get the most attention from men. In order to make a fairer comparison, imagine a man who's very handsome, but whose career and overall signals of success are on par with the physical attractiveness of "the donald".

Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by dgabriel on Friday September 04, 2009 @01:38PM (#805289)
http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Matching:hypothesis.htm

EDIT: Looking at the spouses of supermodels or the super rich is probably unhelpful in gauging the behavior of most of the population.

Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by TomOfTTB on Friday September 04, 2009 @01:54PM (#805331)
Thanks for the link but that's just drivel. The scenario is designed to eliminate every other factor by creating a situation in which the interactions can only be superficial (as the article points out). If you do a study in which you deprive people of every other factor but attractiveness than sure it's going to make it look like attractiveness is the most important factor.

The question has never been "is attractiveness a factor" but "how big of a factor is it". So a study that artificially boosts the importance of one factor is useless is answering that question

Also, why aren't supermodels relevant? I think they're the most relevant in that their physical beauty makes their choices almost limitless so when they choose an unattractive man it shows how little that aspect means to them.

Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by dgabriel on Friday September 04, 2009 @02:40PM (#805421)
It is unlikely that your anecdotal stories are better evidence than years&years of studies.

Supermodels aren't relevant because they lie so far outside the norm, and can't be used to predict the behavior of a typical woman (even a very attractive woman).

Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by SamAtt on Friday September 04, 2009 @02:50PM (#805431)
You missed his point. He's saying your study doesn't speak to the question. While his anecdotal evidence might not be accurate but it at least addresses the question at hand.
Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by dgabriel on Friday September 04, 2009 @03:04PM (#805463)
It's not my study, and it's not a single study, but years of research. The only question I'm addressing here is whether people are attracted to others of the same level of attractiveness, since he requested evidence.

Are women more flexible about their partner's attractiveness based on other factors? Maybe, but without any kind of research, it's all conjecture and confirmation bias.

Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by thesecret on Saturday September 05, 2009 @01:09AM (#806235)
Women are interested in men who give them the cold shoulder because it's a challenge. In her head she is thinking "He must be surrounded by so many pretty women so he is immune" or "Whats wrong with me?"

The 'challenge' theory also applies to guys who are married or who have girlfriends --- it is a challenge

Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by Sutibu on Friday September 04, 2009 @08:23AM (#804674)
Act gay, get hot chicks. Got it.
Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by roc on Friday September 04, 2009 @11:52AM (#805033)
More generally: If you're laser-focused on having sex with someone, you can only be judged based on sexual desirability (modified by degree of apparent desperation).

If you can hold an actual conversation, then you can also be judged on personality, intelligence, humor, etc.

So if you want to 'fight outside your weight class', keep your tongue inside your mouth.

Re:Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women by jetsnoc on Friday September 04, 2009 @11:30AM (#804984)
Act gay... Get a boyfriend! Girls like gay guys as friends... silly.