European Citizens’ Initiative against TTIP and CETA

Re:European Citizens’ Initiative against TTIP and CETA by danielweber on Wednesday July 16, 2014 @09:27AM (#8041855)

"Negotiated in secret" is totally normal in representative democracies. Negotiation involves a lot of give and take, taking positions that you don't actually want in hopes of getting something else, brinkmanship, and trying to come to a meeting of the minds with the other side.

Now, the full text should be understood when it's time for things to actually be ratified or signed into law.

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Re:European Citizens’ Initiative against TTIP and CETA by sentenza on Wednesday July 16, 2014 @10:09AM (#8042068)

If a treaty of this extent is negotiated in secret and then made public for ratification it _can_ _only_ _fail_ to be accepted. (At least if the democratically elected EU parliament is involved in the acceptance process)

This thing changes so many parts of European law that we took decades to agree on, that the effort to make it "fly under the radar" seems comical.

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Re:European Citizens’ Initiative against TTIP and CETA by walterbell on Wednesday July 16, 2014 @09:54AM (#8041981)

Secrecy and trust, like hands-off management, are earned.

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Re:European Citizens’ Initiative against TTIP and CETA by pjc50 on Wednesday July 16, 2014 @10:44AM (#8042259)

Most EU countries do not have a US-style ratification process. And local legislation implementing EU directives is usually passed with near-zero scrutiny.

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