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Re:The Data of Hate by rdtsc on Sunday July 13, 2014 @07:45PM (#8028938)
> If we could locate the source of these ideas, perhaps there could be a way of battling it.

That is interesting. It would be nice if there was a source for these ideas (well besides human nature) and if it was curable. We want to think these people a basically good but sick. Something happened to them and they became like this. If we could only prevent or even undo that.

Could it be for example that by default people are racist and will automatically dislike others from different groups (social, religious, national, intellectual, professional).

Hate of "others" is used for group cohesiveness.

Maybe it isn't them that are "abnormal" but us, who maintain that we don't have these beliefs, biases and stereotypes (at least rationally). Wouldn't that be scary...

Historically and geographically maybe instead of a sea of tolerance with island of hatred, it is the other way around. A sea of hatred and division with islands of tolerance.

It is also interesting that we often attribute craziness to these people. I do it all the time. They are mentally sick, they are hallucinating etc etc. But if you read manifestos of killers and how these people behave towards each other, how they function in real life, you might find they are are disturbingly "normal". That that is really disturbing to me at least.

Re:The Data of Hate by tinco on Sunday July 13, 2014 @09:17PM (#8029164)
I'm not sure if it is accurate, but I think of someone who is hateful as someone who was hurt. This is also why I think it's so hard to fight hate, as even if you mend a wound, the memory of hurt lasts and fosters hate. How do you make someone forgive and forget?
Re:The Data of Hate by Intermernet on Monday July 14, 2014 @07:52AM (#8030452)
You teach forgiveness, and hope others do the same.

As someone who has been seriously hurt by someone else (they're in gaol for life) I know how hard it is to forgive. I still haven't succeeded, and I probably never will.

But, I have succeeded in gaining the knowledge that revenge would just continue the cycle of violence, so it's in my power to stop it.

Revenge solves nothing, and only causes more pain.

Re:The Data of Hate by asuffield on Sunday July 13, 2014 @07:49PM (#8028957)
I don't think there's any innate racism, but people do tend to be hostile towards those who they see as "not of their own tribe". This view of the problem would suggest that racism is the result of people having a very narrow world-view, where they don't recognise many other people as being "like them".

This would seem to be a solvable problem. We can break down communication barriers. The internet is already transforming the world in this way, and we've already come so far in the past few decades. Surely we can keep going, until nobody lives in a small corner of the world that's isolated from the rest of us.

Re:The Data of Hate by kijin on Monday July 14, 2014 @02:28AM (#8029714)
The internet does help break down communication barriers, but I'm not sure how much it really helps when it comes to racism.

It's so easy to talk with someone on the internet without knowing anything about their ethnic background. In fact I have no idea whether you're black, white, Jewish, Indian, whatever. So if I were a chauvinistic white supremacist, I could just pretend that everyone who writes thoughtful comments on HN is a white dude. This contrasts sharply with the real world, where you can't help noticing a person's gender and skin color before you ever exchange a word with him or her.

The internet also helps people erect strong barriers that might otherwise have been too weak to sustain. Stormfront.org helps turn potential neo-Nazis into actual neo-Nazis, helps them unite despite their geographical dispersion, empowers them to publicly boast their bigotry, and worst of all, gives them a comfortable environment where they never have to confront any other opinion. The fragmentation of online communities keeps prejudices alive in the gaps.

Re:The Data of Hate by kijin on Sunday July 13, 2014 @09:01PM (#8029126)
Very interesting idea, and I think there are large grains of truth in what you said.

I don't think humans are racist by default, but rather that the way in which most societies have evolved so far are conducive to racism. Most communities around the world are either ethnically homogeneous, or if they're not, they have active conflict among ethnic groups in adjacent regions/towns/villages/neighborhoods. It's easy to be an armchair racist when there's no Jew within a hundred miles of you. It's also easy to be a practicing racist when other ethnic groups are threatening to kill you.

Historically, it has been very unusual for people of different ethicities to live together in the same block (let alone the same building) unless one ethnicity was regarded as superior politically and/or economically. Only in the modern world do Africans, Caucasians, Chinese, Indians, and Native Americans even have a chance to live as equals in close proximity. It is a rare phenomenon indeed.

But people do get used to it. At first there's conflict, but then a new generation is born who have never experienced ethnic homogeneity. The kids grow up playing with all the other neighborhood kids, unless bigoted adults tell them not to. This is the generation that can finally overcome racism. Not because they're better people, nor because they're better educated, but simply because their best buddy is red, their girlfriend is yellow, and their favorite football star is black. When these kids become leaders, and their racist parents die off, that's what a non-racist community looks like. History is made, one funeral at a time.

So the source of racist ideas is not some crazy dude with a funny moustache, but the very existence of homogeneous or segregated comunities. It is no coincidence that the places with the highest Stormfront membership rates are also the places with the lowest ethnic diversity. The geography and demographics of Montana breeds racists. Hawaii, on the other hand, is a rather unsuitable place for a person to grow up to become a racist. Even in other parts of the world, relatively homogenenous countries like Japan and Korea tend to be incredibly racist.

The only way to combat racism is to make people live together.

Re:The Data of Hate by rdtsc on Sunday July 13, 2014 @09:12PM (#8029150)
> The only way to combat racism is to make people live together.

This is how I see it too. It has to start earlier, in kindergarten. By the time kids hit highshcool they already carry prejudices that might be hard to undo.

The best antidote is to personally know someone from the other "group".

The cliche defense for "I am not racist" is "I have a <race> friend, I swear". But there is truth in there. Having a friend, a coworker or acquaintance, is a good way to reduce racism probably.

Re:The Data of Hate by happyrock on Monday July 14, 2014 @08:11AM (#8030501)
I'm reading your post in the voice of a New World Order comic book villain. "My fellow world-saviours... let us prepare the masses for their new way of life. First, we'll force the subjects from kindergarten age to undergo mental conditioning to, shall we say, "soften" those prejudices so those little brats don't ever DARE to trust their natural instincts. They'll believe what we'll tell them to believe! crowd cheers And then when they reach the mandated Employment Age, we'll transport them all to designated Urban Zones in order that they may live together in perfect raceless harmony under our watchful and benevolent eye! All hail the Progress Commission!"