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by kvb on Monday July 07, 2014 @08:23PM
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Is there anything in the article to justify the headline, or is this just clickbait (I read the article, but it just seemed to be a groundless rant)? Are all techrights articles this low quality? (Full disclosure, I'm a Microsoft employee)
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by alrs on Monday July 07, 2014 @08:25PM
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Selling SaaS means that any sovereign can shut off your markets like a switch.
The US couldn't tame Microsoft, and the EU was only able to squeeze out some token concessions. The move to selling cloud services left them open to getting kneecapped by the PRC, and it just happened.
That's a two-way street. Any customer in PRC using that service just lost their Office. In many businesses in the USA that would be catastrophic. OTOH, perhaps it'll encourage adoption of LibreOffice.
I'm sure it won't encourage adoption of LibreOffice. MS Office's biggest competitor is pirated MS Office, and then after that Kingsoft. Besides, I'm pretty sure most office users in China are not using 365.
Honestly a product that has that much SEO spam all over their website can't be that good. Here's the actual site footer: "Hot Searches: Office Free Office Office 2013 Office 2014 Free Writer Free Spreadsheet Free Presentation Download Office Office 2013 Trial Office 2013 Product Key Office for iPad Office Applications Office Tab Office to PDF Microsoft Office to PDF Word to PDF Excel to PDF PowerPoint to PDF PowerPoint to Word DOCX to DOC DOC to PDF XLSX to XLS PPTX to PPT PPTX to PDF PPT to Text Best Office Suite Free Word Spreadsheet Software Microsoft Office 2010 Free Download Microsoft Office 2007 Free Download Microsoft Office 2003 Free Download Microsoft Office Compatible Suite Microsoft Word Replacement Microsoft Excel Replacement Microsoft PowerPoint Replacement Word Processor TechiSky Software Download iStonsoft Flip PDF"
It's a bit cynical to describe a ban or censorship of Microsoft software as a win for FOSS: "This will be a big gain for free/libre office suites, including some Chinese versions (IBM employed people in China to work on OpenOffice with ODF)." Censorship of competitors is never a victory for free (as in speech, not as in beer) software.
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by dictum on Monday July 07, 2014 @08:33PM
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Here's wild speculation: what if the copies sold on the back of vans and some of the ones available to download on the web already are already backdoored by the Chinese government, hence the lax attitude to this?
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by na85 on Monday July 07, 2014 @08:13PM
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Quite frankly I'm glad. In my opinion, Microsoft just isn't a very good company. Their products have market share mostly due to inertia, the same way Facebook still clings to users. "Everyone uses Office", so therefore everyone uses Office.
Disclaimer: MS employee, China even. This article is just a diatribe against MS with no interesting or accurate content. Censorship just sucks whether its Facebook, Google, or OneDrive. Trust me, I live it.
And let's not even get started on the blub attack (i.e. people buy Microsoft/Apple/etc...because...marketing! Not because the alternatives sucks so badly...). <sarcasm> I personally prefer Latex, and everyone else is stupid for using office suites with bad keming </sarcasm>.
If Microsoft isn't very good, then I guess Wordstar, Wordperfect, Lotus, Ashton-Tate, Harvard Graphics, et. al. were worse. These companies produced widely used word processing, spreadsheet, database, and presentation software before Microsoft entered any of these markets. True most were DOS-based and Microsoft had the insider's advantage building software for Windows, but ultimately MS software succeeded because users liked it, at least compared to the alternatives.
I've used many of the alternatives: Open Office, LibreOffice, AbiWord, Gnumeric, Koffice; none of them hold a candle to Microsoft Office when you get beyond basic functionality.
Everyone uses Office, because it is the best option for most people. I myself use LaTeX and Emacs whenever possible, and find AbiWord and Gnumeric usable for many things, but in no way do these tools substitute for Office for most people.
Of course, I'm a Microsoft employee too -- so you and I are obviously involved in a sophisticated astroturfing operation.
The US couldn't tame Microsoft, and the EU was only able to squeeze out some token concessions. The move to selling cloud services left them open to getting kneecapped by the PRC, and it just happened.
I'm sure it won't encourage adoption of LibreOffice. MS Office's biggest competitor is pirated MS Office, and then after that Kingsoft. Besides, I'm pretty sure most office users in China are not using 365.
Honestly a product that has that much SEO spam all over their website can't be that good. Here's the actual site footer: "Hot Searches: Office Free Office Office 2013 Office 2014 Free Writer Free Spreadsheet Free Presentation Download Office Office 2013 Trial Office 2013 Product Key Office for iPad Office Applications Office Tab Office to PDF Microsoft Office to PDF Word to PDF Excel to PDF PowerPoint to PDF PowerPoint to Word DOCX to DOC DOC to PDF XLSX to XLS PPTX to PPT PPTX to PDF PPT to Text Best Office Suite Free Word Spreadsheet Software Microsoft Office 2010 Free Download Microsoft Office 2007 Free Download Microsoft Office 2003 Free Download Microsoft Office Compatible Suite Microsoft Word Replacement Microsoft Excel Replacement Microsoft PowerPoint Replacement Word Processor TechiSky Software Download iStonsoft Flip PDF"
They're not actually using Red Flag or Kylin, are they?
And let's not even get started on the blub attack (i.e. people buy Microsoft/Apple/etc...because...marketing! Not because the alternatives sucks so badly...). <sarcasm> I personally prefer Latex, and everyone else is stupid for using office suites with bad keming </sarcasm>.
I've used many of the alternatives: Open Office, LibreOffice, AbiWord, Gnumeric, Koffice; none of them hold a candle to Microsoft Office when you get beyond basic functionality.
Everyone uses Office, because it is the best option for most people. I myself use LaTeX and Emacs whenever possible, and find AbiWord and Gnumeric usable for many things, but in no way do these tools substitute for Office for most people.