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Re:New Study Contradicts Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 Rule by gwern on Sunday July 06, 2014 @08:41PM (#7996420)
And yet, (A) is simply not true, see the other mentioned study of chess players in the fulltext, a previous study involving Hambrick which found many top players falling short of 10k and many inferior players exceeding 10k, for a net explained variance of not-that-much.
Re:New Study Contradicts Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 Rule by mckeygeeky on Monday July 07, 2014 @09:38AM (#7998713)
I believe that Gladwell was merely suggesting that talent is not innate and the difference is somebody's ability was due to the amount of time they put into it.

The top players might have spent several hours on a related field, like what futsal is for football.

Re:New Study Contradicts Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 Rule by gwern on Monday July 07, 2014 @01:10PM (#7999900)
> I believe that Gladwell was merely suggesting that talent is not innate and the difference is somebody's ability was due to the amount of time they put into it.

Neither is true. Everything is heritable, as the behavioral geneticists like to say, and increasingly the genetics are being defined and nailed down; and the latter is completely refuted by the OP study and the previous Hambrick study - time spent on a field has only a weak relation with results.

> The top players might have spent several hours on a related field, like what futsal is for football.

Chess players study chess. There is no related field from which meaningful transfer will happen - at the top levels of chess, the problems are only about chess.

Re:New Study Contradicts Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 Rule by PM_Tech on Wednesday July 09, 2014 @04:42PM (#8012134)
Can you give an example of a "talent" that you think is heritable?

I ask because inherited talent is a myth.

Re:New Study Contradicts Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 Rule by DanBC on Wednesday July 09, 2014 @04:47PM (#8012152)
> Can you give an example of a "talent" that you think is heritable?

Long distance running.

Re:New Study Contradicts Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 Rule by PM_Tech on Thursday July 10, 2014 @04:37AM (#8014202)
Nope.