Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA

Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by shmerl on Friday July 04, 2014 @03:32PM (#7989981)

Isn't music available through DRM-free sources most of the time anyway? Just don't use Spotify if you are against DRM. It will also be a vote with your wallet against it. By using it you implicitly support DRM proliferation.

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by jdong on Friday July 04, 2014 @03:44PM (#7990024)

Voting with your wallet is much less effective than publicly complaining, unless of course your wallet is worth a lot.

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by shmerl on Friday July 04, 2014 @03:45PM (#7990028)

My comment wasn't really to the authors of this tool. Their tool is a form of the public protest and is appropriate. It was more directed to those who actually use Spotify. For them, complaining while actually using these kind of services (and helping them to spread more DRM in the process) is strange.

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by jdong on Friday July 04, 2014 @04:36PM (#7990131)

What if they like the product but would rather have it without the DRM?

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by shmerl on Friday July 04, 2014 @04:39PM (#7990137)

I'd say they should stop using it until the product drops the DRM. Otherwise their complaints don't sound sincere. Or at least not convincing.

It's like as if smokers would complain that cigarets industry ruins public health.

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by MichaelGG on Friday July 04, 2014 @06:55PM (#7990477)

Smokers complain, and now we have e-cigarettes which may be less harmful while still allowing the enjoyment of nicotine and the fun of smoking.

I'm not sure why it's insincere. I keep buying ThinkPads, but I hate the new designs with a passion. (And they hate me; they literally cause me RSI where the earlier ones didn't.) It doesn't make my arguments against the new ThinkPads any weaker.

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by shmerl on Friday July 04, 2014 @06:59PM (#7990488)

> and now we have e-cigarettes which may be less harmful while still allowing the enjoyment of nicotine and the fun of smoking.

So, we can have digital goods sold without DRM, so we could enjoy them without police state methods attached.

> I'm not sure why it's insincere.

Because by buying from those who push DRM on them, users support and prolong the usage of the said DRM. Complaints won't persuade DRM Lysenkoists. Loss of profits can.

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by alttab on Friday July 04, 2014 @07:01PM (#7990496)

Except with Spotify you are not buying music. You are paying a subscription to their streaming services. DRM is the only way they can protect the artists. On top of that, if you are paying 10 dollars a month and ripping the DRM off their streams you are stealing, and completely missing the value proposition of streaming music.

confusing Spotify with amazon or apple DRM would only display lack of understanding on part of the consumer. The truth is for streaming services you are NOT buying music!!!

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by shmerl on Friday July 04, 2014 @07:03PM (#7990500)

> Except with Spotify you are not buying music. You are paying a subscription to their streaming services. DRM is the only way they can protect the artists.

1. Renting does not make sense for digital goods (I already explained in the past why).

2. DRM doesn't protect anything. I.e. it can't enforce the renting paradigm. This very article demonstrates that DRM is broken and it can't stop piracy. Therefore there is no need to use it ever even if we assume that it's an ethical practice (it is not). All DRM does is punishing paying customers by crippling the usability of the product (limiting supported devices / platforms / players / formats and so on), while having zero effect on pirates who pirate the same stuff DRM free.

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by lucb1e on Friday July 04, 2014 @07:54PM (#7990603)

Something with 'many wallets'. You know, just like the many eyes principle.

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by test_account_1 on Friday July 04, 2014 @07:05PM (#7990505)

I totally agree, but a lot of people do.

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by thefreeman on Friday July 04, 2014 @09:02PM (#7990717)

Did you even read the article? It is a lesson on how to use panda to examine the memory of running processes. The spotify / music DRM is just an example to demonstrate the power.

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by shmerl on Saturday July 05, 2014 @10:54PM (#7993684)

See my other comments. I don't criticize the article or the work which was done to break the DRM.

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by glomph on Saturday July 05, 2014 @08:34AM (#7991720)

Pretty sure that is the only reason that this hasn't been fleshed out into a fuller anti drm system. It is easier to get it drm free from other sources and they get it sooner.

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Re:Breaking Spotify DRM with PANDA by davexunit on Friday July 04, 2014 @04:52PM (#7990167)

Yes, please do not use Spotify. Not only do they use DRM, the client and server software is proprietary.

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