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Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by blhack on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @12:18PM (#7971709)
Reading these comments is depressing. Bitcoin isn't a few geeks trading bits over IRC anymore, guys.

To some of the common bitcoin concerns:

1) They're easy to steal! Look at this person who did $something_stupid and had all their coins stolen!

Yeah, sure...and if you had left $10,000 in cash just sitting on your table, the same thief could have stolen that as well. There are stories every single day of people having cash stolen from them. The people keeping that much value stored on their local machine are usually pretty crazy bitcoin evangelicals. These are not normal people who bought some coins on coinbase.

2) It doesn't do $things_credit_cards_do!

No, it doesn't! What you people seem to be missing is that it's a totally new way of transferring value. It has its own quirks, requires its own security models, etc. It also does $things_credit_cards_dont_do! That's why people have an interest in it!

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by sanswork on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @01:18PM (#7972116)
1) What are the best practises for having a bunch of bitcoin? You say you shouldn't keep it stored on your local machine but where? Keeping it stored on exchanges is kind of prone to failure in the bitcoin world. If you want to use a cold wallet you need a second computer that you don't plan to use for anything else and you need to learn linux or its pointless

2) Just because its new doesn't mean its better or makes more sense than the existing methods.

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by vijayboyapati on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @02:36PM (#7972645)
There are a number of technological solutions to the security issues related to storage. BIP38 and multisig are both very promising innovations, and there will be more. We're really at the very early stages of Bitcoin's development. Think 1994 for the Internet.
Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by neomindryan on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @02:17PM (#7972528)
Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by dombah on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @03:25PM (#7972931)
1) Best practice is typically separating it into "savings account"/ personal wallet. So cold storage and a hot/low security wallet.

2) Agreed. There are no guarantees, however strong indicators it will improve. Remember e-commerce didn't make sense either back in the day (no salesperson, can't touch goods, security - all “rational” reasons) -- but all solved.

On that point I don't even view BTC as currency actually (my personal view).

It is first of it's kind with no precedent (is it currency, asset, ledger, protocol…?). Is it all of above? Or something else? Reminds me of when first iPad came out and people just viewed it as a “large iPhone” (true, in some ways - but it’s definitely not defined that way anymore. It’s own unique category now. Public aware of nuances). No precedent. Still defining by analogy to old paradigms.

BTC is similarly nuanced. I actually view it as more buying a stock in protocol. Yup sounds crazy/doesn't make sense using old paradigms. But I’ll leave that for another post (the gist of the idea is here: http://btcgeek.com/dawn-of-autonomous-corporations/).

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by superuser2 on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @04:18PM (#7973255)
>What are the best practises for having a bunch of bitcoin?

Given that it's designed as a digital replacement for cash (not savings and checking accounts - cash), keeping more than a few hundred dollars around at a time would seem to be as advisable as storing the equivalent $100 bills, with the same level of extraordinary security measures needed.

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by sanswork on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @06:48PM (#7973949)
I've yet to have someone remotely steal money out of my wallet.
Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by superuser2 on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @06:57PM (#7973993)
You've also not yet shoved a dollar bill down an Ethernet cable. Which is, more or less, what Bitcoin provides.
Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by blhack on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @02:22PM (#7972563)
1) Store it on coinbase. And don't invest your life savings into bitcoin in the same way that you might not want to "invest" your life savings into Western Union Travelers Checks.

2) What is a way that I can transfer value to somebody in a far away place that is easier (if both parties already accept coins) than bitcoin?

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by sanswork on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @02:51PM (#7972724)
1) Given the history of exchanges is it really smart to store your bitcoin in one?

2) Is only easier if you ignore the process of getting bitcoins and the process of converting them to something else. If you do that then me sending you an email saying "IOU value" is easier.

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by blhack on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @03:05PM (#7972813)
1) If you don't feel comfortable storing things in coinbase, and don't feel comfortable storing coins on your local machine, then you might not want to use bitcoins. This is fine, but there are plenty of people (like me) who are completely fine with coinbase.

2) If you had an easy way of converting that IOU into USD, or converting it into real goods (by, for instance buying something on newegg), then I would say that yeah, that would be just as good. In fact, that's a great analogy! Bitcoin is a very widely accepted system of IOUs (kindof like a banking system...or cash).

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by sillysaurus3 on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @03:18PM (#7972885)
there are plenty of people (like me) who are completely fine with coinbase.

As far as I know, Coinbase has no insurance for their users' coins. If they go bankrupt, you'll lose all your money.

Coinbase is a startup. Failure is the norm, not the exception. Until they get insurance, you shouldn't store more than you're comfortable losing.

Since most consumers can't afford to lose very much, and since most consumers aren't comfortable using an offline storage solution like Armory, they'll need to stick with cash or credit to stay safe. This harms bitcoin adoption among consumers, because they don't have bitcoin on hand with which to buy things on a whim.

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by blhack on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @04:22PM (#7973285)
>Until they get insurance, you shouldn't store more than you're comfortable losing.

Hey thanks for the tip.

BTW, you shouldn't keep more cash in your wallet than you feel comfortable keeping in your wallet.

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by recycleme on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @02:43PM (#7972691)
1) look up paper wallets.

bitcoin is at a stage where it's not trivial to secure if you are not a technical person. There are companies that are working at making this easier by providing the security and even insuring the bitcoins if something happens. When services like this are out we will see a huge turning point IMO.

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by bdamm on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @02:56PM (#7972755)
I've been looking for a liveCD based offline paper-wallet solution, but so far no luck. Perhaps someone can point me to one? The point is to generate a paper wallet on a machine with no capability of retaining the keys after the paper wallet has been generated - and the only way I know how to do that is through the removal of hardware (no hard drive, no USB stick, no networking. Maybe no speaker either.)
Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by sanswork on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @02:54PM (#7972744)
That would be the cold storage option I mentioned would it not?

AFAIK there is only one company that has claimed the insurance angle(Xapo) and if you read the policy you basically need to have the person that stole them be arrested before they will pay out.

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by h1karu on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @03:29PM (#7972955)
1.) best practice is to store it in a paper wallet.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Paper_wallet

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by HackerClues on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @02:58PM (#7972775)
You can just store it on a usb...
Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by derefr on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @04:20PM (#7973267)
Specifically, on a USB stick in a regular old safe-deposit box. Now your money is in a bank.
Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by sanswork on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @04:31PM (#7973335)
Unless the computer you used to move it to the USB was compromised in which case someone could still steal it.
Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by heroprotagonist on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @10:01PM (#7974708)
Use a Live CD with a lightweight client that doesn't need to download the entire blockchain. Keep the wallet on a separate USB key so you can keep any generated change addresses (since a LiveCD is read-only). This should be pretty effective unless the hardware itself is compromised.. If you're worried about the machine being exploited while online performing the transaction, you could limit exposure somewhat by generating an offline transaction.
Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by foobarqux on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @01:17PM (#7972099)
Why would a consumer use it over a credit card? Especially when you need to use a credit card or other payment method to buy the bitcoin in the first place?
Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by Nakatomi_Plaza on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @02:30PM (#7972610)
Some don't, like everybody who posts on the mining forums of bitcointalk.org and is generating their own coins, or converting alternative coins to bitcoin. All these miners want computer hardware, makes sense to directly market to them.
Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by foobarqux on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @05:03PM (#7973498)
That's an incredibly small and relatively inconsequential market.
Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by pauletienney on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @12:57PM (#7971964)
I do agree. However, i feel there won't be strong adoption without a great advantage for customers.
Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by laichzeit0 on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @02:31PM (#7972620)
Let's see. I could pay for hardcore online pornography in a pretty anonymous way. I could board a flight with a flash drive containing $1million dollars in BTC. I don't have any draconian restrictions on who I can and can't exchange my "money" with. If you send me BTC and the network confirms I never have to worry about your cheque "bouncing". I could donate to Wikileaks without a company like MasterCard or Visa deciding who I can and can't send my money to.

I can do all these things on my own without having some third party potentially fucking me over or charging me a monthly fee. I consider all these things great advantages.

It also doesn't mean I need to abandon credit cards or other forms of value transfer. But in those cases I now have an alternative I did not have had BTC not existed. It's a weird black and white kind of logic that HN has where it seems for Bitcoin to succeed it must replace everything currently in use. That's a false dichotomy. They can mutually coexist. Right tool for the job.

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by gcb0 on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @04:04PM (#7973156)
> I could board a flight with a flash drive containing $1million dollars in BTC

lol. wat?

Re:Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin by EthanHeilman on Tuesday July 01, 2014 @12:56PM (#7971957)
>It doesn't do $things_credit_cards_do!

Boats are totally useless they only travel on water. Why would anyone prefer a boat to a truck for moving freight?