Re:The PayPal mafia
by kilik on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @12:03PM
(#79768)
There were a lot of these industry insider, self-congratulatory articles floating around the media back in 1999. The only difference then was that the Sopranos was only in it's first season so it was not yet considered cool to do a photo shoot in which you posed as an organized crime figure.
GIVE ME A BREAK.
Articles like this make me think that the latest tech boom is already over. This is just a trailing indicator.
Re:The PayPal mafia
by garbowza on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:18PM
(#79797)
Every similarity between today and the tech bubble does not necessarily indicate we're doomed for a bust. There are self-congratulatory articles in nearly every industry (economics, sports, politics, etc), but that doesn't mean you're on the tail end of a bubble.
Re:The PayPal mafia
by marvin on Thursday November 15, 2007 @09:31AM
(#80186)
Well...some of them are creating very valuable, tangible services. SpaceX is an obvious candidate, Sequoia is obviously doing very valuable things, Tesla Motors are successful outside of the ephemeral social networking world...
I actually think it looks like these guys have incredible talents for creating value. Some of it could be foam, but most of it isn't.
Re:The PayPal mafia
by plinkplonk on Thursday November 15, 2007 @08:31AM
(#80162)
From the cnn article
"Musk became CEO of the combined company and decided it was time for a technological overhaul. Specifically, he wanted to toss out Unix and put everything on a Microsoft platform.
That may sound innocent enough to laypeople but not to Unix zealots like Levchin and his team. A holy war ensued. Musk lost. The board fired him and brought back Thiel while Musk was on a flight to Australia for his first vacation in years."
In Founders At Work, Levchin says
" The guy who ran X.com became the CEO, and
I remained the CTO. He was really into Windows, and I was really into Unix.
So there was this bad blood for a while between the engineering teams. He was convinced that Windows was where it's at and that we have to switch to Windows, but the platform that we used was, I thought, built really well and I wanted to keep it. I wanted to stay on Unix.
By summer 2000, it seemed like the Windows thing was going to happen because Peter was gone. He took a sabbatical to make sure there were no clashes between the CEOs.
So, this other guy was pushing me toward accepting that Windows was going to be the platform. I said, "Well, if this is really going to happen, I'm not going to be able to provide much value, because I don't really know anything about Windows. I went to a school that was all Unix all the time, and I spent all my life coding for Unix."
I had this intern that I hired before the merger, and we thought, "We built all these cool Unix projects, but it's kind of pointless now because they are going to scrap the platform. We might as well do something else." So he and I decided we were going to find ourselves fun projects. We did one kind of mean project
where we built a load tester package that would beat up on the Windows proto-type (the next version was going to be in Windows). We built a load tester that would test against the Unix platform and the new Windows one and show in beautiful graphs that the Windows version had 1 percent of the scalability of the Unix one. "Do you really want to do that?"
So it looks like what happened was a bit different from what the cnn article implies - that Musk was ousted because he had philosophical differences with Levchin. I doubt the idea of replacing unix with windows on a heavily server centric system was a "philosophical" mistake. Sounds like a typical PHB decision to me.
levchin actually compared Windows vs Unix performance and even used "beautiful graphs". :-)
Re:The PayPal mafia
by wschroter on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:53PM
(#79809)
All that ass kissing aside in the article, it really is amazing how many people blossomed from that one startup. It's cool to see people that make a ton of jack and yet are still very young and idealistic about the world. Thiel's singularity ideas may sound "off" in mainstream media but the fact that he can still manage the money and resources to support those ideas in a meaningful way is sweet.
Re:The PayPal mafia
by adrianwaj on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @06:48PM
(#79890)
I'd say that the PayPal mafia have personal enemies - from those whose accounts they illegitimately cancelled, and resulted in sites like: http://www.paypalsucks.com/
GIVE ME A BREAK.
Articles like this make me think that the latest tech boom is already over. This is just a trailing indicator.
I would also consider it a bad omen having it featured on CNN and Fortune.
I actually think it looks like these guys have incredible talents for creating value. Some of it could be foam, but most of it isn't.
"Musk became CEO of the combined company and decided it was time for a technological overhaul. Specifically, he wanted to toss out Unix and put everything on a Microsoft platform.
That may sound innocent enough to laypeople but not to Unix zealots like Levchin and his team. A holy war ensued. Musk lost. The board fired him and brought back Thiel while Musk was on a flight to Australia for his first vacation in years."
In Founders At Work, Levchin says
I remained the CTO. He was really into Windows, and I was really into Unix.So there was this bad blood for a while between the engineering teams. He was convinced that Windows was where it's at and that we have to switch to Windows, but the platform that we used was, I thought, built really well and I wanted to keep it. I wanted to stay on Unix.
So, this other guy was pushing me toward accepting that Windows was going to be the platform. I said, "Well, if this is really going to happen, I'm not going to be able to provide much value, because I don't really know anything about Windows. I went to a school that was all Unix all the time, and I spent all my life coding for Unix."I had this intern that I hired before the merger, and we thought, "We built all these cool Unix projects, but it's kind of pointless now because they are going to scrap the platform. We might as well do something else." So he and I decided we were going to find ourselves fun projects. We did one kind of mean project
where we built a load tester package that would beat up on the Windows proto-type (the next version was going to be in Windows). We built a load tester that would test against the Unix platform and the new Windows one and show in beautiful graphs that the Windows version had 1 percent of the scalability of the Unix one. "Do you really want to do that?"
So it looks like what happened was a bit different from what the cnn article implies - that Musk was ousted because he had philosophical differences with Levchin. I doubt the idea of replacing unix with windows on a heavily server centric system was a "philosophical" mistake. Sounds like a typical PHB decision to me.
It's a small sample, but the guy who wrote "The Paypal Wars" (http://www.amazon.com/PayPal-Wars-Battles-Media-Planet/dp/09...) was a consultant before getting hired by Paypal.
This rule still applies.
Actually, I think this just happened again yesterday, but I don't know if it was attributed to PayPal.
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/fortune/0711/gallery.pay...