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Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by edw519 on Monday August 31, 2009 @04:11PM (#796621)
9. What a solitary task startups are.

This is the hardest thing for me to explain to others. And still one of the hardest for me to get used to myself. It takes a lot of time working alone to get anything done.

It may also be one of the many reasons Hacker News is so popular. I don't know about you guys, but if I didn't have this place to break up the loneliness, I'd probably go nuts.

Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by maxniederhofer on Monday August 31, 2009 @04:47PM (#796684)
I've never been as lonely as when I started a one-founder company. Long hours practically made my social life go away. Sure, I hired people, but I couldn't afford to hire the people I really wanted to work with.

Lessons? Don't start alone. Pick your co-founders really well (think "marriage"). Make sure you have people you really want to work with who are ready to leave their jobs and work for less money because they really want to work with you.

Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by hooande on Monday August 31, 2009 @07:38PM (#796943)
It seems like that approach greatly increases the cost of starting a company. Finding a suitable partner for "marriage" isn't easy...ask any middle aged single woman. It's almost a full time job in and of itself. And then you have to face the herculian task of creating something out of nothing.

I think the lesson here is that if loneliness is a big problem for you, you might not want to start your own company.

Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by wheels on Monday August 31, 2009 @08:30PM (#797016)
I think the thing is that a lot of entrepreneurial minded folks tend to have a working set of people they wouldn't mind founding a company with. Where, exactly, you find those people or what you should look for in them is a lot more vague before you've started your first company.

But ideally you've got some smart friends that aren't completely risk averse before you decide to start a company, and those are probably a good set of folks to bounce it off of. I'm always dubious of people "finding" co-founders through systematic searches. I'd known my co-founder for 3 years before we started our company, and it's amazing how much more you learn when the pressure is turned up. I can only imagine that a lot of startups fly apart at the hinges when there isn't some basic level of getting along that's preexisting.

Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by lionheart on Monday August 31, 2009 @09:36PM (#797095)
One thing that made me luck out in this case was the recession.

My old friend, and first employee, is too risk averse to join a startup in a normal environment. But since the company he was working for went bankrupt and he wasn't able to find a job for months, he gladly came to work for me and it has worked out very well.

Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by mmt on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:28AM (#797376)
For those of us who are particularly introverted (contrasting with shy, though, together, they could be a double whammy), this ideal has never existed and probably never will.
Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by wheels on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:39AM (#797397)
Lots of introverts have active social circles. I'm not quite sure what you mean.
Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by mmt on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @06:13PM (#799058)
How many is "lots"? How introverted are they (on any scale)? How active are they within these circles, and how big are the circles?

My point is: intensity introversion introversion inherently limits the the size of any useful social circle by requiring excessive emotional energy to grow beyond that. For me, that size is probably on the order of a couple dozen people, though that's well beyond the comfortable level of emotional expenditure, which is closer to only one dozen.

Filtering by technical aptitude (notwithstanding a disproportionately high ratio) and startup compatibility, reduces the number to zero.

Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by rjurney on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @08:09AM (#797849)
Sole introverts make terrible founders - startups are very social activities, if they go anywhere.
Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by mmt on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @06:14PM (#799060)
Although, intuitively, I don't disagree, do you have evidence?

What about introverted co-founders?

Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by billswift on Monday August 31, 2009 @04:59PM (#796707)
Most really creative work is. Writers proverbially are loners, so are artists who are actually producing rather than showing off. Even architecture is solo in the design phase, it's also iterative; you come up with ideas, show them to the client, get their feedback, go off revise your ideas, and around again and again until the client is satisfied enough to start building; then the new set of changes start when the client sees it being built and starts making more changes. That's why the architectural and landscape designer I used to work for ONLY worked cost plus.
Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by kyro on Monday August 31, 2009 @04:43PM (#796677)
I am in no way trying to be disrespectful here, but if you rely on an online forum to keep you from going crazy, you might want to consider restructuring your priorities and workflow to give you a little more time to breathe and enjoy life. An online community is great and all, but there are millions of other, more tangible and real world, things that can be as, if not and most likely more, rewarding than participating on HN.
Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by wheels on Monday August 31, 2009 @05:16PM (#796739)
Actually I've noticed that online communities can provide some sort of minimum level of social interaction required to keep one sane. I don't think it's a good strategy for long-term social interaction, but if you're going through a phase of your life where you're optimizing all parameters for maximum productivity while staying 1% south of jumping the shark, it kind of makes sense.
Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by abalashov on Monday August 31, 2009 @06:05PM (#796826)
I don't think he was being entirely literal, quite to the extreme that would warrant your didactic prescription.
Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by randallsquared on Monday August 31, 2009 @04:47PM (#796683)
there are millions of other, more tangible and real world, things that can be as, if not and most likely more, rewarding than participating on HN.

Well, that depends strongly on the person, doesn't it? :)

Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by kyro on Monday August 31, 2009 @04:55PM (#796700)
The point of that comment was to what? Refute that there aren't other things more rewarding than HN and dependent on the type of person, having HN be the only thing keeping you from insanity is perfectly fine and healthy?

Apologies for sounding trollish, but I'm somewhat shocked at the reactions here. We have someone telling us that they work themselves into such a lonely place that the only thing keeping them sane is HN, and yet no one is suggesting he reorder his life and find a better balance so that he can find more enjoyment.

Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by randallsquared on Monday August 31, 2009 @05:10PM (#796728)
Well, I don't actually think that edw519 is, in actual fact, in danger of going insane due to loneliness, since I assumed, as I would guess most did, that he was using "go nuts" casually, in the way that people say things like, "Wow, if the Cubs don't win the Series after that streak, I'll just die" without meaning that they will actually cease living should their team fail.

I don't think you're sounding trollish, but I do think you may not be treating this forum as a casual social setting in which people sometimes make statements to convey a feeling, rather than because they are literally true.

Edit: I forgot to say:

I also think that for a lot of people who hang out here, and to a lesser extent on proggit, etc, this online community really is one of the most fun, engaging things they have available to do. Conversation online with those who are interested in similar topics could easily trump conversation in person with those whose interests bore you. Even if we grant that being in the real world is an important attribute of "fun things to do", it's unlikely to be the most important.

Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by kyro on Monday August 31, 2009 @05:41PM (#796781)
I get the casual context, but that's not to say there could still be an imbalance. I do agree with the rest of your comment and will try and not take things a little too literally.
Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by robryan on Monday August 31, 2009 @11:19PM (#797272)
This is a good point, a lot of the time your unable to discuss technical concepts/ ideas/ research with the people around me the same way you can online with people who have a large depth of knowleadge in the areas that your interested.
Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by billswift on Monday August 31, 2009 @04:53PM (#796697)
Maybe, but interacting with people directly is more distracting than HN too.
Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by delano on Monday August 31, 2009 @05:25PM (#796750)
It's difficult to engage with someone while you put a thought on the back burner for 5 or 10 minutes.
Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by sid on Monday August 31, 2009 @11:46PM (#797314)
You are very right with that !, I have a friend who is working on his product and sometimes he asks me to come over and hack with him. If i know what it is im going to hack and its more typing then actual thinking or problem solving i may come but if i need to do some serious work i never take him up on the offer.

Reason is, it is about locking yourself up, getting through alot of the problems on your own and working on the next one. The minute you have someone there (even if they are coding as well) and when your task is not integrating it becomes more of a distraction having someone there.

For me, youtube, hacker news and sydney morning herald get me through my lonliness when im hacking away, also the odd trip to subway to get myself a sandwich and the lady at the counter :)

Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by zaidf on Monday August 31, 2009 @11:54PM (#797322)
This is one reason being on a campus can help.

Then again, that has its own challenges. I've tried to work with several different uni friends in last few months and it's astonishing how many things they have calling their attention leaving little to no time for the start-up.

What I do is lock myself deep inside a little library cubicle. Then when I need some fresh air, I chill out by the student union. Talk to buds. And return to work. It really helps that my product is hyper-focused for the college market.

Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by Tawheed on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @11:22AM (#798146)
I propose you create a BrainTrust with your most trusted advisors -- http://AskMyBrainTrust.com. Having one can immensely help you not only get past loneliness but also get advice and outside thought on your strategic decisions.
Re:What Kate saw in Silicon Valley by dkasper on Monday August 31, 2009 @06:04PM (#796825)
Doesn't it seem like this is a reason it doesn't matter if you are in Silicon Valley?